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#2151 2013-03-01 01:03:42

merelyjim
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Not sure of this qualifies as distro-hopping or not, but just got a a Samsung Chromebook today. Doing a bit of field-testing right now, but looking at loading Debian onto it. Big challenge? ARM processor!

Looking into the wiki now, but if anyone else has played with such, I'd be thankful for any advice.

But for now, just playing!  big_smile


"When I enter a command... I expect ass to be hauled and the coffeelike aroma of hustle delicately hovering in the air." -thalassophile

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#2152 2013-03-01 02:52:13

gurtid
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

^bodhi will run on that if u don't have any joy with debian (and can stomach enlightenment sad )

http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php? … hromebook/

unrelated to above. I'm going to be trying the latest fuduntu on my laptop - getting away from debian altogether to see if i can resolve crashing issues.


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#2153 2013-03-01 02:56:49

merelyjim
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

^
Thanks. I'll use bohdi if I have to (already going a bit nuts of over not having access to the command-line in what I know is a linux-based system) but hate having Ubuntu-code baked in there. Like I said, looking over the Debian wiki...


"When I enter a command... I expect ass to be hauled and the coffeelike aroma of hustle delicately hovering in the air." -thalassophile

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#2154 2013-03-01 07:47:49

el_koraco
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

merelyjim wrote:

Like I said, looking over the Debian wiki...

You just need the ARM version of Debian or any other distro. Most distros have at least an unofficial ARM port - Debian, Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, Gentoo are the big distros with official ports; Slackware and Arch have unofficial but very good ports, this pretty much covers all the major distros. I don't know about Mandriva/Mageia. The bigger issue is bootloader configuration. Look for the Chromebook specific insructions for that one.

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#2155 2013-03-01 12:49:12

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

^
Thanks. It might be easier... no, it would be easier just to blow ChromeOS out entirely (once I make an image).


"When I enter a command... I expect ass to be hauled and the coffeelike aroma of hustle delicately hovering in the air." -thalassophile

My attempt at a blog; http://waitingonragnarok.blogspot.com/

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#2156 2013-03-01 17:14:19

el_koraco
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

merelyjim wrote:

^
Thanks. It might be easier... no, it would be easier just to blow ChromeOS out entirely (once I make an image).

Yes, but you will still need to unlock the bootloader and run on an ARM architecture of any chosen distro. My advice would be to try Chrome OS for a while. Most people are very pleasantly surprised. It is Gentoo with premade proprietary drivers after all.

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#2157 2013-03-01 21:34:00

Unia
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

el_koraco wrote:

It is Gentoo after all.

I didn't know that! Pleasand surprise, I must say


If you can't sit by a cozy fire with your code in hand enjoying its simplicity and clarity, it needs more work. --Carlos Torres

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#2158 2013-03-01 22:24:15

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Yeah, they based it off of Ubuntu to start with, but they switched in the middle of the process. They kept Upstart for some unexplained reason (I think because systemd was very new then and they invested a lot into Upstart development).

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#2159 2013-03-02 16:46:10

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#2160 2013-03-02 17:14:24

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Thought i share my past addiction. Started probably 7ish years ago messing about with various distros but always had itchy feet and i would move on, or go back to winBlows.

But then i found my true fix #!

If #! was a drug it would probably be that addictive we would have to set up a rehab centre  tongue


"On The First Day, God Created Linux... And The Rest Was Easy"

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#2161 2013-03-02 17:18:01

merelyjim
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

el_koraco wrote:
merelyjim wrote:

^
Thanks. It might be easier... no, it would be easier just to blow ChromeOS out entirely (once I make an image).

Yes, but you will still need to unlock the bootloader and run on an ARM architecture of any chosen distro. My advice would be to try Chrome OS for a while. Most people are very pleasantly surprised. It is Gentoo with premade proprietary drivers after all.

I didn't know about it being based on Gentoo, but just in playing with it, it seems pretty slick. No command-line, though.


"When I enter a command... I expect ass to be hauled and the coffeelike aroma of hustle delicately hovering in the air." -thalassophile

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#2162 2013-03-07 09:53:20

Digit
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

snowpine wrote:

^ #! will always be Philip's personal vision, whether it is based on Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc. smile

I used the 8.04 through 9.04 Ubuntu-based #! releases as my primary OS at the time, so I speak from experience. In fact, having tried all of them from 8.04 through Waldorf, I'd have to say 9.04 was my favorite.  O:)

i too was a big fan of 9.04.   best ever ubu-based distro, imo.   but very glad it's deb-based now.

cism wrote:

wish I could just go back to the OpenBox default layout

i'm sure you'll suss that simple matter fairly quick.  still using SLiM?  press f1 a few times on the login screen.

cism wrote:

I am considering triple-booting my machine (from a clean install). Everything I would worry about saving is backed up on an external. One reason for triple-booting: I would love to always have a disk-installed copy of AVLinux (or whatever audiophile distro that comes up and beats it - I am scouring for them) on my machine at all times for JUST music recording/editing.

or... add a few multimedia and av specialised repositories to your crunchbang's /etc/apt/sources.list (like maybe "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main non-free" or something), and install all the latest and greatest creative tools.

cism wrote:

But for the other, 3rd partition...This is where I want to settle on a distro from which I could launch others as VMs;

  i used to do that a lot back in the day.  first on suse, then on sabayon and now on crunchbang.  it's a great way to go, and #! is an excellent choice for it, imo.  prior to getting heavily into virtualbox, i was a saikee devotee, with an epic multi-boot, which i kept suse around as my main distro-admin fall-back.  if i were doing epic multi-boot now, #! would almost certainly be my distro-admin distro of choice.

cism wrote:

#! *seems* to be all I'll need for some time to come - but I am far to ignorant to even know if I should know better!!

hehe, fire up virtualbox on your crunchbang, and poke around with it for a bit if you like.  if you want to learn more of nix's guts, probably best to stay away from distrowatch and your virtualbox though.  it will give you a good broad grok of what distros are out there, but will impede your deeper nix learnings, where the real transferable skills and power are.

cism wrote:

I am sorta freaking out. I am sort of paralyzed by indecisiveness. I know I won't use Ubuntu, mostly out of an ethical rejection:

you'll want to avoid anything novell have touched too then, since they tried to sell GPL licensed software to M$ in the bad way (effectively). 

cism wrote:

Anybody have any reasons why triple-booting isn't a great idea, please chime in (not concerned about the stability of my environment...This is MY laptop for school, work, play and LEARNING. I can always get *some*thing out of it. My machine is a Sony VAIO VPCEJ-28FX. /ramble

  my laptop, prior to last hard drive upgrade to ssd, had about 5 partitions for distros on its tiny 80gb hd.  now i have 240, and have left the 40 for more os partitions.   multi-booting doesnt hurt.  can be very useful.  i like to have a slackware to boot into.  slackware, so so solid.  and other dev stuff.

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#2163 2013-03-07 19:20:39

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Fedora 18 with Gnome. Nice but there are some bugs. Also using a minimal CentOS in VirtualBox for that full Red Hat experience.

If I like Yum Extender more than Synaptic, does that make me a bad person?

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#2164 2013-03-10 22:05:06

Digit
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

made a start of another round of testing / bug-zapping witchcraft's gentoo installer.  had planned on a straight gentoo, then remembered about witch.  ^_^  plan to have a gentoo on both my machines by the end of next week.  bye bye debians.  ^_^

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#2165 2013-03-11 13:41:01

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Why not save time all around & use sabayon if you want a gentoo based system?  Someone I know running gentoo recently upgraded KDE to 4.10.1 & it took 11 hours compiling & installing the upgrade, I certainly haven't got the patience for that anymore.  Or try calculate, you can choose between binary or source based repo's.

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#2166 2013-03-11 13:45:43

merelyjim
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

+1 for Sabayon.
Been a while since I used it, but remember it working really well.  smile


"When I enter a command... I expect ass to be hauled and the coffeelike aroma of hustle delicately hovering in the air." -thalassophile

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#2167 2013-03-12 14:37:24

Digit
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

cl00t wrote:

Why not save time all around & use sabayon if you want a gentoo based system?  Someone I know running gentoo recently upgraded KDE to 4.10.1 & it took 11 hours compiling & installing the upgrade, I certainly haven't got the patience for that anymore.  Or try calculate, you can choose between binary or source based repo's.

merelyjim wrote:

+1 for Sabayon.
Been a while since I used it, but remember it working really well.  smile

i used sabayon for about 4 years.  if i wanted a nice ootb preconfigured gentoo, i'd go for toorox, not sabayon. 

sabayon holds your hand (with handcuffs) too much.  i dont want that. 
sabayon has its binary package manager.  i dont want that.
sabayon has loads of stuff pre-installed.  i dont want that.
sabayon has a cover-all-bases useflag configuration (much like toorox does too).  i dont want that.

to get a sabayon to a state i want, would be many weeks more work than setting up a gentoo, and a gentoo i set up will run much faster, even with a genkernel'd kernel.  [edit - i spent the better part of a year converting calculate into something more like pure gentoo.  maybe sabayon would take even longer.]

sabayon's still really nice, if you want that sort of thing.  i dont. 
i want a pure gentoo, which witch's witchcraft script will provide.   ... once i clear up whatever remaining bugs there are. 
wei2912's refactoring and other work on witchcraft are very nice indeed, transforming it from my initial scribbles (which was only a couple issues away from capable of a gentoo install), to something much more than a single script.  still a long way to go to fullfil the witchcraft concept (remastery, multi-metadistros, desktop-config sharing, iso sharing, rspm, etc).

but to those who want sabayon, have at!  there was a reason i used it for so long.  or consider calculatelinux too.

ps,
to highlight how much in the other direction i've gone from sabayon, my main install on the workstation is exherbo.

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#2168 2013-03-13 02:05:38

rstrcogburn
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

I'm using Mac 10.8 and mint 13 xfce for work.  Cyanogen mod 10 on my phone.

I like arch gentoo/funtoo and exherbo the best though.  I just waste too much time on them because of my personality.  Maybe once I start flyfishing again next week, it'll keep me occupied enough to run a source based rig.

Also been working on a Linux BBQ.


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#2169 2013-03-13 14:23:50

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

cl00t wrote:

Why not save time all around & use sabayon if you want a gentoo based system?  Someone I know running gentoo recently upgraded KDE to 4.10.1 & it took 11 hours compiling & installing the upgrade, I certainly haven't got the patience for that anymore.  Or try calculate, you can choose between binary or source based repo's.

The best distro IMO for both having source based and package based management is FreeBSD. I have an install of it ATM, it's awesome.

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#2170 2013-03-14 06:59:46

merelyjim
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Playing with crouton [Chromium OS Debian Chroot Environment] on my Samsung Chromebook, and got Xfce up and running.

Nothing wrong with it... some fine tuning needs to be done, but it feels like the Alpha that it is. Still, it's early days for a laptop of any flavor to be running an ARM processor. Worth taking a look at, if you've got a few minutes.

https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton

8o


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#2171 2013-03-16 11:12:54

zalew
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

got bored with my xfce sid, guess where I hopped.

waldorf it is  big_smile @corenominal - well done, sir!

got some minor issues regarding the cb-welcome, but I guess I need to find a topic for that.

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#2172 2013-03-16 18:12:31

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Hi, my name is Joe...and I can't stop installing random Linux distros on older hardware, Thinkpads especially.  Rather than dual-boot, I just get a different project going, and normally it's from hardware that I have been given (ie. "I don't use this WinXP Netbook anymore, want it?") or stuff I just have sitting around.  (ie: "Hey, look at that old P3 in the back of the garage...Puppy Linux?")

I don't want to recover, because it's fun.

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#2173 2013-03-16 18:19:11

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

rstrcogburn wrote:

Cyanogen mod 10 on my phone.

How is that working out for you? I have been meaning to try it on a Samsung Galaxy S 4G for a while now, but don't want to brick it or end up running firmware that's substandard/unstable.

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#2174 2013-03-26 04:37:51

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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

hi, my name is digit, and i am a distroholic. 

yesterday, i picked up a gratis ancientware box (+monitor, mouse and keyboard).  a lame old celeron 333mhz with 64mb of ram, and something like a 4gb hd.

this is often a dangerous time for a distroholic who's been clean for a while, as i have, when they get new hardware.  especially when the new hardware is sufficiently different to their existing hardware that they by necessity are going to have to search to find a suitable distro for it.

since it is so lame, i am looking towards the likes of puppy, slitaz, damnsmall, and so on...

however i've downloaded none of these.

suitable ~or, potentially suitable~ distros i have downloaded are:

connochaetos
100%libre, designed for older machines, and since a few versions ago, now based on arch.  i have one of the older versions, when it was independent based, running on my even more ancient laptop, with a pentium 133 and 16mb of ram.  deli linux 0.78 or something iirc.  it came with icewm, but i shopped around for a nice light tiling wm for it, and it happily runs ion3 (not to be confused with i3).  although their test machine doubled in spec after that release, i am still quite confident the new arch versions will run on my new celeron 333 with 64mb ram.

porteus
it is a community version of slax.  slax is an old fave of mine, though i always knew all too well what its main failings were.  it's a reasonable bet that a community effort could intrinsically solve some of those problems, and solve the rest with combined efforts.  it will be fun to see if it can be low enough on the resources, particularly the razorqt version (i also have the xfce version too).

manjaro
ok, this might be pushing it now.

and then onwards we see i have just succumbed to distro-lust and curiosity downloads.

sabayon 11
its been a few releases since i checked out my old fave.  and i've not yet seen any of this mate stuff... and they just made it sound so appealing... and i know it will be sweetly styled ootb, so i dont get a naff impression from some distro's vanilla-straight-from-upstream default config.

vsido
again, this is unlikely to be a contender for such lameware.  more again just a curiosity dl.   i am already running a version from february (iirc), on my big workstation... bouncing between it and #!.  didnt even bother trying to put it on media that the old celeron can deal with, as i did with sabayon.  on dvd, so, out of reach of the old box.

connochaetos is likely to be the winner.  but if for some reason that doesnt go well...

i'm still interested in:

kwort
kwort is kind of like a CRUX based crunchbang-alike.  it is one sweet little distro that doesnt get enough attention.  for a start, it is built on CRUX, which likewise doesnt get enough attention.  and secondly, it is crunchbang-alike!  and one of the better crunchbang-alike configurations ootb at that.  even a bit more clean and minimal in many regards.  a great starting possition, that doesnt fuss and bloat.

openbsd
because i love it to bits.  probably my favourite of the bsds.

gentoo
dont laugh!  gentoo can be installed on such ancientware.  ... although since it is a celeron, it will be compiling through a pygmy pipet.   hmm   and with only a 4gb hd....  i'll be swapping that out for something bigger.  i'd likely be doing this to go headless, or at least gui-less.

parabola/arch/archserver
yep... though i got royally fed up with arch a few months back, it hasnt taken me long to come around and crave it again (heck i've already mentioned both connochaetos and manjaro!).  parabola because, like connochaetos, it is 100% F.A.I.F.  arch because, idk why.  and arch server because that's quite probably what it will end up being used as.... a little web server perhaps.... been working on a yesod site that runs on warp, somewhat in the style of rms's or esr's personal sites.

puppy
well, because they've got all that t2/woof stuff, and they're totally geared for ancientware... surely it would do well...  i kinda see this as a fall-back though.  even though there is the slackpup, which is nice.

slackware
of course the grandaddy is on the list.  OF COURSE!   i have a couple old unreleased slackwitches that are full desktop ready to go ootb for less than 1.337 Gb on the hd.  smile  though that was 64bit, but just to say, i know a slack can be great for this sort of affair.

mostly though, i'm thinking i'll be going with connochaetos.

all of this list has been created without one visit to distrowatch since finding out i would get this computer.  smile


edit-
P.S.
it will be interesting to see how well, if at all, i could get the witchcraft gentoo installer to run on it.  smile

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#2175 2013-03-26 04:52:34

brig
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Re: Distro-hoppers Anonymous

Distro-Hopper....that's IT,  thats IT !!!!  I was WONDERING what people like me were called, and now I know.  Its a fantastic name,  and the grasshopper is  just what I felt like hopping through all the various distros, wondering where I would settle down.  I know I will still have to try new distros when they come out, but I am already pretty sure #! will be the one installed on my computer from now on.

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