Since I changed from Windows to Linux I haven't really made Music on the Computer, but I would like to try it again.
I don't need a pure multi track recorder,
but something that allows me to easily loop and arrange samples and add effects.
I can use extra software, like audacity, to create these samples.
I don't use midi.
In my Windoze days i was using a program called "Open MPT", a free mod tracker (not available for linux).
I got aquainted with it, but i wasn't too happy with it and constantly trying others (fruity loops is one i remember).
I hope i made it fairly clear what I'm looking for.
Another concern is pulseaudio/jackaudio.
I was already considering to remove pulseaudio from my otherwise standard #!-install.
It seems that most linux music software uses jackaudio? Can it even work alongside pulseaudio?
I once installed it on a different system and i never got it set up properly and uninstalled it at some point.
So if there was a solution for me without jackaudio, i think that would suit me better.
Hardware is a 2008 standard laptop, 64bit, two 1.7GHz processors, 2GB RAM.
No special soundcards. Just some intel audio.
Thanks in advance!
Last edited by dawiba (2014-04-04 17:04:08)
hmm, i guess i misused about all technical terms in my first post.
anyway i took a few days to get (re)aquainted.
i even installed linuxbbq-rocks! - but im not quite ready to go into a full sound station installation.
so i searched, retraced what i'd gotten aquainted with in my windows days.
so what i'm looking for is that modular tracker way of working but it seems most trackers as such are outdated (boy did i have a hard time trying to resolve outdated dependencies...) and right now i'm there with:
buzztard (the only one where i actually went through the manual install rigmarole. it's in active dev so i thought it's worth it)
jokosher (haven't really tried it yet but i like the simple gtk interface)
sunvox (my favorite right now. simple, lightning fast, reads mod/xm)
milkytracker, schism (old style but developed until fairly recently. maybe the sound quality is better than the interface suggests)
there's also radium, uncompiled yet. looks very interesting and the git repository seems to be free (in both senses; the win and mac versions cost)
right now i'm concerned about sound quality.
if i commit myself to one way of programing music, i want to be sure i can produce good sound quality with it.
my own sound equipment isn't really good enough to hear it; i had the experience that after a mixdown i suddenly realised that the quality is not so good...
right now i'm running everything through alsa. (i uninstalled pulse, no prob)
thoughts, ideas, advice?
Last edited by ohnonot (2013-01-24 06:23:44)
quick read, sorry if i missed something but have you checked out Renoise?
snot free is it?
Try the free demo. Should be an option on the download page. There is an install.sh just un pack the archive and run it.
Also, search for ladspa plugins online or through debians's packages.
You should use Renoise with jack audio and a real time priority set.
I use Renoise, hydrogen (integrates with Renoise nicely) and audacity (for samples). Also check online for Bitwig. Bitwig looks very promising and a healthy rival to Abelton live. Actually heard the developers for Bitwig were x Abelton developers; right across the street from eachother evidently. Bitwig is currently only in beta invite only activity...
I think Linuxbbq Rocks! would be an excellent way to go about this. Jack, and a realtime kernel all set up and ready to go.
Last edited by junkie (2013-01-22 07:26:01)
This post actually interests me since I've made music in my (very long time ago) Amiga-days with Octamed. I'd like to restart making music on Linux but I didn't find anything as good as the ancient Octamed. I know Sunvox but have no experience with it. Anyhow, I'll be following this topic close-by.
Last edited by ohnonot (2013-01-24 06:47:15)
@ohnonot : I've subscribed on that forum a while ago but thx anyway I've worked a bit with LMMS but I'm more into the tracker stuff. Now it's actually the ideal time to restart focussing on making music, it's cold outside and since I've stopped distro-hopping ...
You might want to look at qtractor, it is a simple and stable multitrack recorder.
For sample rates, 48k will be fine, 96 won't really be worth it and will use up more CPU.
Hi there ohno,
I was wondering if I could ask you a question concerning the way you make music. I record guitar, drums etc. in the basement through a mixer, but have always been interested in the ability to make music via samples through an application. I've worked with drum machines, but just to create a simple track to follow on the drums.
If I wanted to make a track on the computer, what would be the process? I've downloaded sound packs on the web before for use in a drum machine. Is that similar to the process you would use? Layering sounds that aren't percussion related in a drum machine type of application?
I understand that the question is vague, but hope you understand what I'm asking
Last edited by ohnonot (2013-01-27 20:21:10)
Last edited by junkie (2013-01-28 00:55:51)
hello schwim, i'm using the renoise demo version and find it satisfactory.
when you have a jackaudio setup it's really easy to combine it with other apps so you don't need the disabled features.
like mastering to jamin or timemachine.
but i haven't really gotten into it myself. the way i suggested to you is how i myself went at it.
for some reason i recoil from the "obvious" choices like ardour, rosegarden, qtractor, lmms. i don't really know myself why.
but i will try them all out!
what i tried out was buzztard and neil; i find them both buggy/half-finished. but the mistake could be on my side, wrong compiling, i don't know.
sunvox is fun and good enough, but i'm starting to see it's limitations. but, then again, it seems to be working flawlessly.
as does renoise.
some software seems to be trying to integrate everything into one app: a tracker, sample editing, synthesizer, effects...
this can be a bit too much to start with.
you will of course have to find out what suits you most, but your drum machine analogy really points to some tracker software.
the good thing about it: people have been using the same principle with 8bit mono samples in the early 90s, but with a new computer you can use it with 32bit stereo samples and achieve almost professional quality.
like the difference between a 303 and a 909.
what's your musical vision?
Thanks very much for your help guys. I'm going to try Audacity for manipulating clips and Hydrogen for assembling the final product. I use Audacity a lot, but am not sure how well I would do trying to create something that stuck to 120 BPM throughout. The strict time keeping of a drum machine seems to suit me better.
Jackaudio and Ardour are things I don't understand the purpose of yet. If it's something I stick with, I'll have to begin looking into expanding the tools I use, but for now it's probably safer if I stick with a minimal number of tools
I don't think I can say I have a vision in particular. I can say that when I was 18, I found a NIN cd stuck in between the mattress and wall of a ship I was stationed on and I listened to it every night while working in the ship's laundry for like 3 months. It was the coolest thing I had heard up to that point. I also like listening to dubstep because of the manipulation of the clips that they use. That's probably the type of thing I would try to emulate at least initially.
Thanks again for both your help and thoughts
Last edited by dawiba (2014-04-04 17:04:59)
Very interesting, thx
i have recently installed tangostudio (based on ubuntu 10.04 LTS), it has bristol installed (monoBristol), version 0.60.10-1build2.
not sure about the quality, but it works. thanks, i probably wouldn't even have noticed it otherwise.