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#1 2013-01-22 10:04:35

intoCB
Scatweasel
Registered: 2012-10-25
Posts: 2,412

Ubuntu "spyware"

Short version:

Canonical is a really cute/friendly company who only wants to be your friend.

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#2 2013-01-22 10:17:04

fatmac
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-11-14
Posts: 1,948

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

At least these days there are options for non computer literate people to have a real choice of OS.
Whether they choose MS, Apple, Linux, or even BSD, they can setup & run their computer without too much grief.
Every OS can have a nice desktop GUI, which most newbies like. Choice is good, people win.

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#3 2013-01-22 11:09:10

intoCB
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Yes, there's lots of choice now. #! fits me like a glove but admittedly it's not for everyone.

It's a fun time to be in computing. Ok, times are economically hard these days but computing/technology is in great shape.

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#4 2013-01-22 11:22:36

pmo
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#5 2013-01-22 14:28:57

anonymous
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#6 2013-01-22 14:40:29

pmo
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"


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#7 2013-01-22 17:22:34

intoCB
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Thanks but I use Waldorf already, Sid even smile

I have no complaints about CrunchBang whatsoever - just not sure everyone likes minimalism.

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#8 2013-01-22 17:41:59

NNJRob
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Registered: 2013-01-14
Posts: 18

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Well, I try not to speak ill of ANY Linux distro. I've tried MANY, and the only ones I haven't learned SOMETHING useful from. are the one I couldn't get to work at all! (mixture of hardware incompatibility and/or user incompetence  wink  ) So far, ive found #! to have the answer to any of my questions, easily found with a search or 5, or 6... and the folks here are first rate

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#9 2013-01-22 18:08:52

zalew
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From: Warsaw, .PL
Registered: 2012-03-28
Posts: 374

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#10 2013-01-22 18:54:53

lcafiero
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From: Felton, California, USA
Registered: 2011-07-21
Posts: 2,225
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#11 2013-01-22 20:49:46

intoCB
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#12 2013-01-22 21:23:29

Rothchild
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Registered: 2013-01-21
Posts: 7

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

I've been using Ubuntu for a good few years now and I think it sets a very high benchmark for any other consumer oriented distros as to how Linux should be approached in terms of ease of use. I know it's a contentious view but I actually quite like Unity, the screen space it freed up and the blending of the menu bar and the window header is really clever and a great space saver.

The reason I've moved away from such a great distro though is the line that was crossed (for me) in going 'social' especially the use of the navigator search box being used as a marketing data source. Yes, it can be turned off, but at the end of the day the only way to really discourage them from going further with such ideas is by drawing a real line in the sand and not using it.

And now you guys have to put up with me ;-) sorry!

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#13 2013-01-22 21:35:01

intoCB
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Registered: 2012-10-25
Posts: 2,412

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Welcome aboard, Rothchild. And you're right, the "social" aspects of Ubuntu were ill-conceived. They may well even prove its downfall. Thankfully none of that on Crunch ;-) Unless there's a Waterstones conky around the corner.

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#14 2013-01-22 21:37:09

pvsage
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From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

@Rothchild:  So far, most of the posts in this thread have largely been debate about just how much Ubuntu sucks, or the reasons why it sucks.  It's refreshing to hear from the other side of the aisle!

Me, I'm neutral; haven't touched anything *buntu since 9.10.  I liked earlier versions, but I doubt there's a fine enough metric to measure my enthusiasm for anything Canonical at this time.

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#15 2013-01-22 21:37:33

wuxmedia
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From: Back in Blighty
Registered: 2012-03-09
Posts: 1,478
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

ubuntu server's quite nice. noX.
i messed up my fstab - the recovery mode was in read only... not much help for editing the file.
not actually installed ubuntu desktop

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#16 2013-01-22 21:46:23

JT
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Registered: 2012-12-23
Posts: 16

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

I think there are two huge advantages of having Ubuntu out there.

1. Ubuntu is a gateway distribution. I'm sure we all want as many people as possible to use a Linux distribution. With Ubuntu the initial transition is super-easy. Then they can move onto other distributions and the Linux ecosystem as a whole benifits.

2. Steam. I'm not a huge gamer but many people are stuck on windows because none of their games work on Linux. The Ubuntu LTS release is great for steam and consequently the Linux community.

I do think there are reasons to keep an eye on Ubuntu. But the more distributions the merrier in my opinion. It's time to get people off M$ products all together and really engaging with open source code.

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#17 2013-01-23 02:40:05

pmo
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"


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#18 2013-01-23 03:39:14

mynis01
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From: 127.0.0.1
Registered: 2010-07-02
Posts: 2,005

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

I personally wish steam and other apps were built for Fedora or Debian instead. The way different versions of apps are chosen in the Ubuntu universe is kinda schizophrenic. As a result, sometimes it's hard to find just the right combination of software versions to make all your stuff work right when you aren't running Ubuntu.

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#19 2013-01-23 05:39:20

vlax
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From: Alcatraz
Registered: 2012-12-25
Posts: 101
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Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

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#20 2013-01-23 08:44:49

Iranon
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Registered: 2012-03-10
Posts: 259

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Agree with the general consensus here.

It's nice to have a newbie-friendly consumer-friendly Linux out there. Ubuntu is innovating nicely along that path; some things are slightly distasteful but the overall direction is solid:
they're responding to the privacy concerns, and with more vendors in it'll actually feel like a convenience feature than "Amazon ads".

Not particularly interesting for me, but the more civilised versions will benefit from wider interest in Linux and use beyond the free software ecosystem.


LEGO won't be ready for the average user until it comes pre-assembled, in a single  unified look, and glued together so it doesn't come apart.

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#21 2013-01-23 09:31:18

TeoBigusGeekus
#! Die Hard
From: /Greece/Kastoria
Registered: 2012-04-28
Posts: 963

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

My 2 drachmas on the subject.

At the end of the day, the contribution of Ubuntu to the linux world is positive.
As reverend Torvalds put it, it made debian usable. Hadn't it been for its ease of use and installation, I'd never have been bothered to install Gutsy Gibbon back in 2007 and get to know something different than windows.
So, IMO, Ubuntu's greatest gift to Linux is the influx of new users. Although some people disagree about the fact that more users is better for the FOSS world, one cannot deny that more linux users will result in the demand for more linux software (and of better quality as well).

On the other hand, ease of use and installation aside, Ubuntu's one of the most mediocre distros out there, in terms of stability. Ubuntu's like the kindergarten of linux, a training period that everyone has to pass before switching to something better. Ubuntu is like your first sex experience: that ugly fat girl/boy, with the glasses and the acne, that introduced you to the adult world. It's something that had to be done, a sweet memory, but if you're stuck with it forever and don't look for something else, well... you do miss a lot of things.


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Please make Autocad Civil 3D and Archicad work on Linux!

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#22 2013-01-23 09:34:45

Naik
#! Die Hard
From: Leipzig
Registered: 2012-11-16
Posts: 595

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"


*kaum macht man es richtig, funktioniert es sofort*

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#23 2013-01-23 13:23:57

CBizgreat!
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Registered: 2011-07-27
Posts: 1,865

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Despite better judgement, posting anyway. tongue

Am siding w lcafiero in part,  maybe not verbatim ... But overall. There are more "newb" friendly mainstream distro's than someone can shake a stick @. My belief someone can visit distrowatch, close eyes and pick at random and isn't likely to select much worse than buntu.

Having hopped through a couple dozen "distros". Found many I liked MUCH more than Canonical Inc's take on gnu/nix. Crunchbang  being one such, maintained by a single person, with a mere fraction of the monetary, marketing, promotion or personnel resources enjoyed by Canonical Inc. Should've started with #! ( almost did ... but the intimidating disclaimer put me off.) Rather than LM ...

Been awhile, since I've had any reason to care but by buntu's own admission, last time I checked, they admitted that roughly 4 out of 5 packages that comprised ubuntu were unchanged Debian software. To say Mint is "based" on buntu, while buntu is "based" on majority Debian is odd to me. While o course buntu is endeavoring in making their software "incompatible" w Debian, fact of the matter is buntu's software ... is nothing buntu had any hand in creating. The majority of the other 20% or so of FOSS that makes up ubuntu is also nothing Canonical Inc had any hand in creating too surely.

"Giving back" means exactly that ... Giving back to the FOSS software that's being taken from. Have seen youtube conferences where many of the biggest names in FOSS have called buntu/Canonical Inc out for being a taker and refusing to give back. Fact remember one, where Micro$oft contributed more to gnu/nix in terms of kernel development/patches than buntu did. I mean ouch, we're taking about M$ giving more back  to gnu/Linux than ubuntu has.

More than likely the result of one of a gazillion anti-trust suits M$ has lost or settled out of court. Not that M$ wants to feed the competition, they were more than likely legally ordered to do so kinda deal. Same time, from other posts, gather intoCB is going through some harsh personal times, which suks. Don't want to aggravate that, as times are hard enough for everybody.

Only advising perhaps that folks remember, you have every right to like something and others have every right NOT to like something as well, for whatever reasons/facts/etc so forth they might deem fit. I have no problem with people liking buntu, that's each persons choice, though do take issue when someone makes a big deal out of me disliking them ( for however many reasons.) If you like a particular gnu/nix distro or FOSS project  ... By all means, you're free to use it and I won't mind it. wink


Vll! smile

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#24 2013-01-25 21:19:54

intoCB
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Registered: 2012-10-25
Posts: 2,412

Re: Ubuntu "spyware"

Ubuntu did a lot to make using Linux less like a drab Friday night out in Slough, so I think we can be grateful for that.

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