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#51 2015-07-13 18:54:51

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

downloaded n seedin'.

will try to find the time to try it out.   i'm kinda sorted for distro at the moment, but rly glad this project continues on seemingly in the right trajectory.

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#52 2015-07-13 19:50:50

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Causes a host kernel panic when I try to run it on VirtualBox.   OS: Manjaro, Kernel: 3.18.17-1-MANJARO x86_64, Mobo: Z97X-Gaming 5

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#53 2015-07-13 22:01:15

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

@spacex -- I don't use GRUB for UEFI booting.

I much prefer direct booting of the kernel using it's CONFIG_EFI_STUB capability  cool

I can write up a tutorial on how to convert a non-EFI BunsenLabs system to pure EFISTUB booting if there is any demand.

EDIT: At any rate, I would prefer a live ISO using UEFI 'cos then I can use it for my internet banking.



grub-efi is much more handy when you multiboot lot's of distros. Which I always do smile


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#54 2015-07-13 22:03:50

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can write up a tutorial on how to convert a non-EFI BunsenLabs system to pure EFISTUB booting if there is any demand.

Silly me...

I forgot about this:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39256

This was the kind of tutorial that you can not offer to any newbies or unskilled users. Tell them how to do grub-efi, and don't confuse them with this stuff. The ones who should be doing it your way, are already doing it. tongue


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#55 2015-07-13 22:12:01

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

spacex wrote:

This was the kind of tutorial that you can not offer to any newbies or unskilled users. Tell them how to do grub-efi, and don't confuse them with this stuff. The ones who should be doing it your way, are already doing it. tongue

WRONG!  The ones that don't know how to do it and have a test distro/HDD/computer - or have a great backup system in place and dare to try - can learn tons with "hands on".

And that's me.  A "hands on" guy!


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#56 2015-07-13 23:29:13

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Sector11 wrote:
spacex wrote:

This was the kind of tutorial that you can not offer to any newbies or unskilled users. Tell them how to do grub-efi, and don't confuse them with this stuff. The ones who should be doing it your way, are already doing it. tongue

WRONG!  The ones that don't know how to do it and have a test distro/HDD/computer - or have a great backup system in place and dare to try - can learn tons with "hands on".

And that's me.  A "hands on" guy!

Yes, but you are not the average user. And you are old school. Lots of new users are scared and intimidated by those kind of turials, especially if they involve the use of a terminal app, or any kind of chroot'ing. The tutorials for that stuff exists. The people who want to learn it, will always be able to, but for all the rest, we have to supply the easiest way to do it. And let's put it this way. UEFI boot by "grub-efi" offers more than enough of a challenge for most people. They are used to grub, and grub-efi will be familiar to them. We don't need to confuse them anymore than necessary. The use of rEFInd and EFI stub is way beyond what you could expect most users to learn, understand and handle.

The Debian installer installs grub-efi by default. You boot in efi-mode, create a efi-partition, and if asked by the installer, choose to force an efi-installation. That's as easy as it has to be. There is no reason why Bunsen should be doing it any different.


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#57 2015-07-13 23:39:19

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

spacex wrote:

Yes, but you are not the average user.

Boy, do I have you fooled.  O:)


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#58 2015-07-13 23:41:59

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

spacex wrote:

Lots of new users are scared and intimidated by those kind of turials, especially if they involve the use of a terminal app, or any kind of chroot'ing.

What is a turial? It sounds scary and intimidating, but I don't know what it is.

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#59 2015-07-14 00:12:37

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

porkpiehat wrote:
spacex wrote:

Lots of new users are scared and intimidated by those kind of turials, especially if they involve the use of a terminal app, or any kind of chroot'ing.

What is a turial? It sounds scary and intimidating, but I don't know what it is.

ROFL. Tutorial big_smile


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#60 2015-07-14 00:23:17

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

spacex wrote:

Yes, but you are not the average user. And you are old school. Lots of new users are scared and intimidated by those kind of turials, especially if they involve the use of a terminal app, or any kind of chroot'ing. The tutorials for that stuff exists. The people who want to learn it, will always be able to, but for all the rest, we have to supply the easiest way to do it. And let's put it this way. UEFI boot by "grub-efi" offers more than enough of a challenge for most people. They are used to grub, and grub-efi will be familiar to them. We don't need to confuse them anymore than necessary. The use of rEFInd and EFI stub is way beyond what you could expect most users to learn, understand and handle.

The Debian installer installs grub-efi by default. You boot in efi-mode, create a efi-partition, and if asked by the installer, choose to force an efi-installation. That's as easy as it has to be. There is no reason why Bunsen should be doing it any different.

I'll have to side with spacex on this one.


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#61 2015-07-14 01:55:58

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Grabbing/Seeding.
-H

Fantastic!
Up and running in vmware.

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#62 2015-07-14 06:15:39

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

You might want to add "Alpha" to the thread title. Also, strictly speaking the numbering implies an actual release which it is not (yet).

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#63 2015-07-14 06:41:37

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Hi Everyone, question for the Devs .. (sorry if this does not belong here) Are we submitting Bunsenlabs to Distrowatch, if so please advise when.  Also have we finalized on the hosting website...

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#64 2015-07-14 07:47:38

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Hello!
Tried BL-Alapha2-1386 in live mode, but cannot install it. I use usb stick. I don't have a cd drive in my laptop. The installer is asking for a cd and refuse to install. How to get the usb to install it?

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#65 2015-07-14 15:57:41

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

kozimodo wrote:

Causes a host kernel panic when I try to run it on VirtualBox.   OS: Manjaro, Kernel: 3.18.17-1-MANJARO x86_64, Mobo: Z97X-Gaming 5

What happens if you transfer it to USB and boot it in Live mode? Any more details the error message gives would help to troubleshoot.


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#66 2015-07-14 16:01:33

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

@intoCB, I'll ask the team what they think.

@kratos, we haven't discussed Distrowatch. We have a generous offer for hosting and are reviewing it.


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#67 2015-07-14 16:04:09

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Desh wrote:

Hello!
Tried BL-Alapha2-1386 in live mode, but cannot install it. I use usb stick. I don't have a cd drive in my laptop. The installer is asking for a cd and refuse to install. How to get the usb to install it?

What laptop model? Getting the computer to boot from USB usually means changing the boot order in the BIOS and is usually done by pressing a key right when the computer starts up... F2, F8, F12, ThinkVantage button, etc...


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#68 2015-07-14 16:45:58

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

running 64bit on VirtualBox live installing and going wow as I seed it and the 32bit version all at the same time. I'm seriously thinking of installing 64bit on perm HDD space to use --- looks good so far wink G J hhh I know it had to be a lot of ground work to get it stared. it even installing app off of the menu in live session in virtualbox and its working too ... not sure how a USB stick would handle that. not sure if everybody would try it either, but I am not every body big_smile


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#69 2015-07-14 17:48:44

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

hhh wrote:
Desh wrote:

Hello!
Tried BL-Alapha2-1386 in live mode, but cannot install it. I use usb stick. I don't have a cd drive in my laptop. The installer is asking for a cd and refuse to install. How to get the usb to install it?

What laptop model? Getting the computer to boot from USB usually means changing the boot order in the BIOS and is usually done by pressing a key right when the computer starts up... F2, F8, F12, ThinkVantage button, etc...

It boots in to live mode, only can't get it to install. Debian installer asks for a cd and don't see the usb stick. Laptop model Lenovo B460.

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#70 2015-07-14 17:59:45

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Desh wrote:

The installer is asking for a cd and refuse to install. How to get the usb to install it?

How did you transfer the ISO image to the USB stick?

I have seen this error reported before when unetbootin was used.

Try `dd`

sudo dd if=bl.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4096
sudo sync

Or `cp`

sudo cp bl.iso /dev/sdX
sudo sync

Or `cat` (my favourite)

sudo cat bl.iso > /dev/sdX
sudo sync

Replace "bl.iso" with the full name of the ISO image and replace "X" with the drive letter assigned to the USB stick (plug the stick & run`dmesg|tail` or `lsblk` to find this).

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#71 2015-07-14 18:09:24

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Desh wrote:

The installer is asking for a cd and refuse to install. How to get the usb to install it?

How did you transfer the ISO image to the USB stick?

I have seen this error reported before when unetbootin was used.

Try `dd`

sudo dd if=bl.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4096
sudo sync

Or `cp`

sudo cp bl.iso /dev/sdX
sudo sync

Or `cat` (my favourite)

sudo cat bl.iso > /dev/sdX
sudo sync

Replace "bl.iso" with the full name of the ISO image and replace "X" with the drive letter assigned to the USB stick (plug the stick & run`dmesg|tail` or `lsblk` to find this).

Oh, it was done with dd. I can boot into the live mode, I repeat, but cannot install it from the usb stick. The Debain installer asks for a cd, and don't want to notice the usb stick. The problem is with the Debian installer, not the iso.

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#72 2015-07-14 18:15:14

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Desh wrote:

The problem is with the Debian installer, not the iso.

OK, switch to a TTY with <Ctrl>+<Alt>+F2 and mount the installer manually:

mount /dev/sdb /media/cdrom

It may be "cdrom0" -- tab completion is your friend here wink

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#73 2015-07-14 18:18:55

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

Desh wrote:

The problem is with the Debian installer, not the iso.

Works for me, both 32 and 64 bit. Maybe download a new ISO, check md5sum and try again.

Could also be an issue with your virtualbox setup.


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#74 2015-07-14 18:45:42

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

smile good day to start seeding the oxygen smile

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#75 2015-07-14 18:49:13

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Re: RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

hhh wrote:
Desh wrote:

The problem is with the Debian installer, not the iso.

Works for me, both 32 and 64 bit. Maybe download a new ISO, check md5sum and try again.

Could also be an issue with your virtualbox setup.

OK. I am downloading the 64 bit now. Let's see how it works.
I checked the md5sum of the 32 bit, it was OK too. I could transfer the iso into a usb stick and boot to a live mode. What I couldn't do was to install it, as the Debian installer is asking for cd. Did you try to install it from a usb stick, hhh?

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