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#1 2015-05-30 17:47:40

zutano
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Registered: 2014-08-21
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Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Hi all. I recently installed Trinity DE onto my Waldorf/Wheezy machine as an xsessions option. As a minimal install it only takes about 82 MBs- it's nicely setup and I was impressed by how easy it was to get. I only needed to visit their site, edit some few lines into /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update - upgrade and it was done.
How nice it would be if that were to be the method of installing BunsenLabs when it's ready for release. Does the team have any plans for this to be the case? I would really dislike having to do a 'hard install' and then have to recover all the utilities and applications I've accumulated on #!. I'm sure I'll appreciate all the effort that's going in to BunsenLabs and I'm looking forward to it's appearence whenever it's ready.

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#2 2015-05-30 17:57:35

ohnonot
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

a distro is something different than a desktop environment.
under the hood, it's much more.
also, the idea of BL is to create a minimal openbox setup from packages available in debian's repos. that is kind of the opposite of what you're describing.

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#3 2015-05-30 18:58:17

zutano
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

I seem to remember a member suggested that BL could be offered as an option in tasksel at install and I suppose I, sort-of, put 2 +2 and came up with 7. So whatever is agreed I suppose it will be like installing a completely fresh distro, even for existing #! users?
Well whatever, as Deb7 is now LTS we all have time for consideration. Thanks for the timely reply.

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#4 2015-05-30 20:39:38

userx-bw
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Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by Sector11 (2015-06-03 12:13:17)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#5 2015-05-30 20:43:37

userx-bw
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Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#6 2015-05-30 20:51:47

Head_on_a_Stick
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Posts: 4,797

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#7 2015-05-30 21:08:51

userx-bw
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Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-30 21:27:14)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#8 2015-05-30 21:15:17

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#9 2015-05-30 21:38:11

userx-bw
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Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-30 23:44:53)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#10 2015-05-30 21:49:15

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

For the benefit of other users reading this:

To re-iterate -- changing your system from tracking wheezy to tracking jessie is an operation that carries the risk of completely b0rking your system.

This is why Debian take the trouble of writing a long and detailed guide to cover all the possible problems that may occur during the procedure.

This is also why no script has been released by the BunsenLabs development team to convert a wheezy-based #! system to a jessie-based BunsenLabs system: the risk of unnecessary b0rkage is just too great.

@userx-bw is not part of the BunsenLabs development team and his script has only been tested on his own system (AFAIK).

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#11 2015-05-30 22:28:38

userx-bw
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Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

# base
policykit-1 # comments after entries are OK too
xorg
openbox
obconf
thunar
lightdm
obmenu
desktop-base
tint2
clipit
suckless-tools
gmrun
nitrogen
hsetroot
conky-all
compton
#terminator
xfce4-terminal
geany
mirage
synaptic
lxappearance
zenity
arandr

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-30 22:36:23)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#12 2015-05-30 22:33:59

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#13 2015-05-30 22:36:59

userx-bw
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Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-30 22:56:41)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#14 2015-05-30 22:37:23

damo
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Posts: 5,434

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#15 2015-05-30 22:42:20

userx-bw
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From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#16 2015-05-30 22:49:50

userx-bw
#! Die Hard
From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by Sector11 (2015-05-31 12:29:07)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#17 2015-05-30 22:59:44

damo
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Registered: 2011-11-24
Posts: 5,434

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#18 2015-05-30 23:13:18

userx-bw
#! Die Hard
From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-30 23:19:41)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#19 2015-05-30 23:49:23

userx-bw
#! Die Hard
From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by Sector11 (2015-06-03 12:20:22)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#20 2015-05-30 23:59:23

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

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#21 2015-05-31 00:04:40

userx-bw
#! Die Hard
From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-05-31 00:05:21)


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? ops
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  monkey
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#22 2015-05-31 02:02:48

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Someone asked for help here, so I am going to attempt to address that question. A Live Iso will be provided at some point in the near future. For now, we are using the sub-alpha BunsenLabs install script and testing things.

When a Live Iso does become available, it will be a simple matter of backing up your home directory, formatting root and doing the install. You get to keep all your old stuff not directly tied to system files that way. If you have one single partition, then the same rules would apply. backup everything you want to keep, repartition, then install and move your stuff back.

A lot of stuff has changed under the hood between Debian 7 and 8 and I am not just talking about the systemd vs sysvinit changes. There is a substantial change in the entire linux ecosystem code base from 7 to 8. Debian 7 did get LTS so folks that want too are not forced to change. However, I am going to say that I find Debian 8 to be a substantial improvement despite the issues that arose.

I have done an upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie.
I have installed an openbox environment on Jessie from scratch.
I have built Live Iso's of that build.
I have done the BL install script.

Of all the methods, I have employed, the BL install script presented me with the least problems. Yeah, I have a zero brainer Live Iso of my very own now, but folks here can attest it took me a good 2-3 months to come to grips with the tool. The install script, I started, then went and ate ice cream while it ran.  An upgrade from wheezy to jessie, while I did that 6 months ago and things have probably changed quite a bit, did come with it's own problems to sort out. None of those problems arose from the switch to systemd however. They arose from package incompatibilities during the upgrade process. Systemd has always just worked for me.

Now, I could just hand over my Live iso. However, you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach him how to fish and he eats forever. Plus, I simply don't have the time to put into supporting it. Also, please do bear in mind that everyone here who has contributed anything to this project does so on their own time on a volunteer basis. So if wondering when the Live iso will be here, the only answer we can give is, "When it's ready." I found compiling my own kernel to be easier than learning the Live Build tool, simply because more documentation exists for self-compiled kernels.

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#23 2015-05-31 02:58:33

pvsage
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Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Last edited by pvsage (2015-05-31 03:02:13)

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#24 2015-05-31 09:05:37

zutano
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Registered: 2014-08-21
Posts: 12

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

Thanks for this, userx-bw, that script is what I was looking for to ease the transition to BL.
I would use it after due thought and consideration and, as you say, backup my data.
This forum is just so helpful and useful, such a shame we have to 'go with the flow' and get systemd-ised. Or, maybe you think it's a good thing, anyway that's for another thread.
Thanks again.

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#25 2015-05-31 09:52:26

Head_on_a_Stick
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Posts: 4,797

Re: Gliding seamlessly from #! to BL

sudo apt-get install sysvinit-core systemd-shim systemd-sysv-

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2015-05-31 09:53:13)

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