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#51 2015-02-07 14:10:34

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

^Well ... Philip requested that we didn't use the name CrunchBang. We could if wanted still use Janice as codename for some sense of continuity. But this is bike-shedding, no?

Did he mention technical difficulties he was encountering (GTK+/systemd)?

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#52 2015-02-07 14:20:34

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

intoCB wrote:

Can we not just continue the forum as a Debian forum or even a Debian/Arch forum or even a Debian/Arch Openbox forum? (random name suggestion: Debarchery)

We could advise people how to put something #!-like together and maybe provide scripts. Do we need a distro?

(I as reading the thread and stopped right here)
I love the idea!  ]:D

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#53 2015-02-07 14:23:57

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

Well, if pvsage is going to be master-man of the new/followup distro, then only right name for it would be:

             Little Pony Sparkle Dancer

or short: LPSD  ]:D  ]:D Not that I would ever use it ...

Seriously, though, if there is going to be an attempt to build something, then first step would be to declare a master-man, who ever it might be. Otherwise, you are (or 'we are') just a mindless mob, as CBizgreat put it nice in his babble ...

This 'master-man' should then contact and choose a few (knowledgeable) 'coordinators' .... and so on and on. I hope that is what is going on right now, behind the scene  hmm


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#54 2015-02-07 15:06:11

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

@intoCB: In respect to Philip's wishes regarding the use of the name CrunchBang, it could be called GrungeBang  cool  A nice tribute name, a bit more underground/garage-band-like  big_smile

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#55 2015-02-07 15:48:59

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Holy cr&p ... ummmm, could someone maybe post relevant cross links to important stuff or @ least mention it in the course of da friggin theard !? Crunchbang's discontinuing and that's what all the Shiny-Ponies-holding-hands chat is about, arghhhh. tongue

Dammit, thought this was mutiny not the Captn abandoning ship ... sighs. Could someone search the forum before posting to an odd looking thread titled Sparkle Dancer, before posting a buncha babble to it and making a friggin azz of themselves !?!??! That'd be me. hmm

Oops, retract certain sections of previous babble, some of it's still valid ... whatever. smile DAMMIT ! Grab yer favorite life jackets, inner tubes or arm floaties, looks like HMS#! is going down afterall ! Women, porn collections and babblers 1st !

Vll! sad


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#56 2015-02-07 16:25:09

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

@CBiz

That explains your posts
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And as someone on Deb forums said

I kinda hope that they christen their releases with stripper names: "Sparkle Dancer 10.07: Jolly Jazmin"


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#57 2015-02-07 16:37:53

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^ I really should try to keep up or keep out ... sighs. Also should just search, though being lazy and would rather ask, everyone seems more informed about what's going on than biz. What's going to be the fate of the #! forum ? All the nixy kickbuttness getting archived, flushed ?

Noooooooo, Nooooooooo to the name Sparkle Dancer and 4 sure Nooooooo to all my babblings just being wiped away ! sad

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#58 2015-02-07 16:43:14

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

I have not been able to be on the forum much this last week except for some reading and spam cleanup- but think moving forward and not always looking behind. It's good to have loose plans and one or more teams will come together and people organizing, but there is no one single idea that needs to be set in stone at this point. Experiment, try new things, see what works and what doesn't. Play and have fun with it while learning! For a stable usable system, we still have one right now, and there is always Debian proper. 

As a personal preference, I really like the idea of contributing upstream. smile

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#59 2015-02-07 16:51:59

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

damo wrote:

As Buzz says

Buzz Lightyear wrote:

"Right now, poised at the edge of the galaxy, Emperor Zurg has been secretly building a weapon with the destructive capacity to annihilate an entire planet! I alone have information that reveals this weapon's only weakness...."

"....he's mixing sources!"

lol  lol  lol  lol  lol


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#60 2015-02-07 17:03:57

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

johnraff wrote:

@pvsage Aargh... sorry but that name...  yikes

@pvsage, are we on basically the same wavelength?

If so, count me in, if not I'll try elsewhere. smile

lol  lol  lol  the name is something ... but it's a name in progress.

Yesterday when I couldn't seem to get here I installed Debian Testing LXDE from the weekly build CD it found my BBQ install but not #!.  I'm thinking it's because of the different grub versions.  So it didn't last long, maybe my oops!

@ anyone and everyone that wants to continue

I have no idea how I can help, but help I will if I can.  Hate being a noob.


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#61 2015-02-07 17:05:07

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^ NOOB ! Look eva-body it's a noob ! ... tongue ( Yeah right, Sector's da shiznit.)

Hmmmm, now thatcha put it that way Damo, sparkle dancer is oddly more appealing. wink Going to have to stalk Core's recent post history now and see what's been disclosed ... sighs.

Not really surprised by this devel ... kinda annoyed, yep sure ... surprised, not @ all. Dang it.

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#62 2015-02-07 17:12:55

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Go forward, CBiz, forward... wink ---->

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#63 2015-02-07 17:20:27

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^ Whatever proj's you get involved w shall be lucky Chili. Dang it ... #! even had a femme nixer moderating, we had em all on the farkin ropes and now this !?!?!? Why gawds ! Whyyyyyyyyyy ! Read The End ... forum apparently not in immediate threat of destruction.

Vl#!! smile


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#64 2015-02-07 17:37:55

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

So much on my mind and I'm trying to figure out how to say it without ending up with a TL;DR post.

I think first and foremost we need to define what does make #! unique among the vast array of distros out there. Iam going to jump out and say that most of the folks who are posting in this thread or who actiavely post on these forums are entirely able to bring a #!-like openbox setup up from nearly any arbitrary base install. I recently proved to myself that i could do it in Arch and am heavily thinking about tackling it from Debian netinstall as well.

Don't get me wrong: what core produced is, to put it simply, a work of art. However, so many of you all have extended upon that and improved it and I think that to me that is what defines Crunchbang. It is a simple, lightweight desktop that allows folks to, possibly for the first time in their entire computing lives, take control of their desktop and make it the way they want it.

The gist of what I am trying to point out has already been gone over in previous threads, though with a different backdrop. Crunchbang is that odd mix of hardcore 'nixer and brand new 'nixer that has promoted the growth of Linux knowledge in general. Heck if all we wanted to do was serve the hard-core crowd then we could all install arch, put whatever arbitrary WM/DE up that suits our mood for the day, week, etc and hang out and be all cool and hard-core.

However. Crunchbang has opened so many people's eyes to the beauty of Linux and you guys who have patiently answered a bazillion noob questions have to take some credit for that. Just look at Core's thread and see how many people are coming forward saying not a regular poster, was a lurker, etc. but Crunchbang showed me the awesomeness of Linux. That is the niche that Crunchbang occupied and to my mind is what made this little distro beyond simply beautiful and artistic into something truly great.

So my point in all this Cbiz-like babble is to remind you guys to figure out what it is you are trying to achieve before you go spinning stuff off because I am at the point with Linux computing now that I feel alot like Core that most of us are able to bring up an openbox implementation on our own. But I would sorely miss this great community. Ya'll are a great bunch and have provided something to the Linux world that I feel is irreplaceable. I said it in Phillip'd thread and will mention it again, that if he decides to ever pull these forums down, then I hope we have the chance to bring the tremendous amount of Linux knowledge out of it and get it moved to someplace else on the Interwebz.

PS: I'm available for whatever my skill-set and time will allow me to do, even if it's just contributing documentation. I'm not the most awesome bash scripter on the planet but am happy to share the knowledge that I do have in whatever way is needed.

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#65 2015-02-07 17:42:36

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

Joe90 wrote:

Corn

Short for cor(e)n(omial) as a tribute

lol lol lol lol NOT BAD!


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#66 2015-02-07 17:47:11

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

Hold on a sec, need 4 clarification, when referred to Chili as a femme, meant in the femme fatale usage of the expression. Use that here ... mainly just to say woman/women. Errrr out of curiosity googled and apparently there are several unflattering spins on it. Butch woman and lesbian among them apparently.

Dang ... long as usual, babbling, also as usual way of saying did not mean any such meaning towards ChiliC. Ok ... sorry, we now return you's to your regularly scheduled grieving. sad

Vl#!!

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#67 2015-02-07 17:49:42

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

@Cbiz, thank you, though that may be up to people who have worked with me to decide whether they are lucky or not. big_smile Very few people here have seen me in actual "work" mode. ]:D

(just refreshed,  oh good lord, you can just call me a woman, lady or ma'am and that is fine. smile You are overthinking this way too much)

(in general)

FWIW I tend to be in more than one project at any given time, even while moderating here, though I generally tend to be low-key about it. What I see right now is a huge opportunity for the community. Many, many people over the years have talked about a community-based project. Now is the time to step up and do it. This can be a creative dev lab to see what shakes out. You can have something stable, you can do something entirely new *and* have something stable. You can learn new things or share what you already know to get people up to speed and even take on mentorships and training. This is all up to you. I would just go for it. As the forum will still be in place so will the existing knowledge base up until this point. It will be a very messy process, there is no way around that. But something awesome could happen here. Some people are already stepping up to coordinate which is cool. Roles can also change around at times, which is cool also. Think more of a lab, it does not need to be something specific right now.

There are a couple of things to be fair to corenominal. Do what you want with what we have- but change the name and branding. It does not sound that important, but it is. Also, I would avoid bugging him or making any demands. There would probably be some things need to be done with the forum, but that could be worked out later and cleaned up.

In short, he has given the community what many have been asking for, and this is your time to put the pedal to the metal.

Edit to add- this is also a great opportunity for first-time contributors as we have a built-in safety net with the community itself. I'll be honest and say, yeah, hasn't been the best year, but we have a solid base of people who have helped earned the good reputation we have and I would like to see this stay the same.

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#68 2015-02-07 17:54:28

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

CBizgreat! wrote:

In accordance w the how 2 mutiny for dummies handbook I'm reading, it says here, a council of mutineers have to be nominated to make necessary decisions and a leader of said council selected, otherwise it's just a mindless mob and as likely to come unraveled or kill each other, as to get anything productive done.

yup.  g'luck to whoever gets selected n elected for a "council" role.  the phrase "herding cats" springs to mind.

CBizgreat! wrote:

can't poss find fault w people following their passions and inspirations no matter what.

  yup.  smile    *waits*  *rethinks*  *overthinks*  ... no wait, there are edge cases.   ^_^

CBizgreat! wrote:

Would like to see if it's poss for everyone to find a happy medium

yeah.

CBizgreat! wrote:

official cb-lite, #!-Sid, v. cb-xfce etc etc ( at least if there's some use for a sub-spin ie: #!-4handicap vision challenged etc etc. Not ooooo this version has pcmanfm instead. smile ) and as many general and overall improvements as the need to be made to keep a. The kickbutt nixers left here ( or new here too), from having to set out on their own from scratch and do it all over. Though if there's enough determination, don't doubt they/you could.

#!-4handicap vision challenged... if you make that one, please call is CB Vis Great.

CBizgreat! wrote:

it's not like there isn't enough nixy goodness to go around and there are tonnes of many kickbutt nixers chomping at the bit to contribute.

just gotta get organised.  i'm only just pass worthy at herding one cat only.  untested with any more.  probably need folks with the right meyers-briggs personality profile (INTP like me aint it, methinks).

CBizgreat! wrote:

there's a friggin virtual army of nixers here that want to do the work.

  yup.  that's long been my impression too.  tap the potential direct to mainline.  ;D

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#69 2015-02-07 17:55:17

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^ I tend to do that, it's force of habit fellow nixer. big_smile ( edit: < Was in response to summin ChiliC had posted above. About the overthinking etc.)

Since googled and didn't know where you may be from, crossed my mind ... errrr, did she think I just called her a butch lezzie ... Errrr nm. Just making sure you knew etc and weren't plotting 2 kill cbiz's azz. wink

Last edited by CBizgreat! (2015-02-07 19:00:29)


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#70 2015-02-07 18:03:47

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

CBizgreat! wrote:

^ I tend to do that, it's force of habit fellow nixer. big_smile

Since googled and didn't know where you may be from, crossed my mind ... errrr, did she think I just called her a butch lezzie ... Errrr nm. Just making sure you knew etc and weren't plotting 2 kill cbiz's azz. wink

Stahhhhp. It does not matter where I am from, my sexual preference or anything. What matters is what I do, and that is that. Also, there are much better words, just so you know.

And Google may not help because it also doesn't matter which name I use project to project. What I do when needed is just introduce myself and I will tell people myself.

That all said- busy day ahead for me elsewhere so let's get back to Sparkle Zurg Debauchery or whatever shakes out. tongue

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#71 2015-02-07 18:22:08

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

You know what I reckon is the main issue here? It isn't what should we call a new #! version, or what should be in it, or who will produce it or maintain it, or what the init system should be.


It's that lots of us are scared that this "community" will end along with Crunchbang, so we need a new glue to keep it together, whatever that turns out to be.


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#72 2015-02-07 18:27:02

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

^ Right on damo. The first things that popped into my mind when I read Phillip's annoucement yesterday was that I was gonna miss you guys. Thanks for condensing my jumbled thinking down into something folks can get their teeth into.

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#73 2015-02-07 18:31:12

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

I can't state it enough- this is all up to you. If you are worried about it, keep it going by being involved. Play with things but don't sweat all of the details right now. Maybe this could be a meta-project under (SparkleBang Labs*) as a banner. But don't worry about it too much right now, just go with it.

* (I'm not serious on the name but you get the idea)

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#74 2015-02-07 19:04:41

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

We've got strippers, sparklebanging, endings, new beginnings ... Herding of catz. Very exciting and/or sad times here in Crunch-central.

Whatever happens, if there's any justice in this world. Someone has to come out with a distro named after the one IntoCB suggested, it's too good a nix distro name to go to waste !

Vll! smile

Edit also @ master Digit, lmao ... another excellent distro respin name suggestion. DAMMIT some more, all those babble sub-spin suggestions involving Crunchbang type codenames, now never 2 be !? sad I had some others, how about cashbang ( finanical and charting utils.) or CommieCrunch ( every now in then while a user was using it, stuff like "WORK WILL SET YOU FREE" or "OBEDIENCE FOR THE COMMON GOOD" could've flashed on their screens), how about Crunch4coloreds ( all text and apps in Ebonics.)

I was just getting warmed up ! sad

Sighs ... yeah, probably gonna rot in hades for joking bout some of em. Ok Crunch-mods, may be your last official chance to ban bizcuit. smile

Last edited by CBizgreat! (2015-02-07 19:16:50)


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#75 2015-02-07 19:22:34

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Re: "Sparkle Dancer"? Nooooo!

chillicampari wrote:

I can't state it enough- this is all up to you. If you are worried about it, keep it going by being involved. Play with things but don't sweat all of the details right now. Maybe this could be a meta-project under (SparkleBang Labs*) as a banner. But don't worry about it too much right now, just go with it.

* (I'm not serious on the name but you get the idea)

Yeah I get the idea and understand what you are saying. Plus Phillip really didn't close the door without pointing us in a direction to go with things --> He did mention debian netinstall. So that will be the next project I tackle and will try to be good and record my experiences of that. Business as usual is most likely the name of the game. We have already proven that we can get #! to work with Jessie so it's not like the end is nigh or anything of the sort. For my part, I feel like it would be very useful to start organizing the info I find in these forums.

The other day while installing Arch, getting compton to work inside of Virtualbox was a real pain. 75% of the useful documentation regarding compton that I found through google comes from these forums. A lot of the rest came from blogs made by former or current #!'ers.

I will still be around these forums and I will still keep figuring out new projects to tackle and hopefully remember to document my journeys in some way. As for the rest copy/past and start sorting stuff by topic will be real useful, I think. We can then figure out what we want to do with it, if anything. If nothing else, I then end up with some great organized documentation on my local drive.

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