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#26 2013-01-14 20:46:40

dbvolvox
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Fired up Pibang today, works a treat, superb effort Super-Nathan.

I also tried your i3wm.  Hasn't grabbed me yet, there may be just too many keyboard operations for me to remember, probably an age thing but there you are.

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#27 2013-01-23 20:45:08

douglas
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Looks good... will try soon.

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#28 2014-11-05 07:43:50

Ivan Azymov
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

I recently purchased the most recent version of the Raspberry Pi (Raspberry Pi B+), and was dismayed when both my keyboard and mouse were not recognized.

I suspected a power/voltage problem--and tracked numerous pages describing possible fixes--but I later found that the voltage problems had been addressed and implemented in the redesigned Pi.

Now, I just read that though the redesigned Pi uses the same processor, that does not imply that PiBang will boot, simply because the intricacies of how USB, etc., are implemented.  To prove such, one user trying to use PiBang was advised to use a distro from Raspberry Pi organization specifically posted for the Raspberry Pi B+, and after doing such (if I recall correctly, the user burned Raspian onto a micro SD), the problem with the keyboard and mouse recognition was 'solved'.

I do not consider the problem solved if it means switching to a different distro.

I would implement the changes to PiBang myself, but I have not used Linux as of yet--I have only perused the numerous options, concluding that PiBang is, in short, perfect.  (Likewise, CrunchBang is an artistic statement of simplicity and operation, but it does not run on ARM.)

I purchased the Raspberry Pi B+ to give to a neighbor's kid--one of my niece's school friends--whom told me he will be exploring programming next year.  If the issue with PiBang is resolved, I have plans to purchase another SBC to compile and polish my mostly hand-written book in a task-specific, non-internet connected, easily replaceable mini computer.  (On that note, if you know how I could configure two [2] or three [3] Raspberry Pi B+ SBCs to operate in mirrored redundancy, that may prove very interesting.  But that is a matter unrelated to PiBang.)

I have an aging ASUS mobo with an Atom CPU on which I managed to put both Windoze 7 and x86 OS X, but that is the extent of my involvement with esoteric OSs to date (by my antiquated metric).

I assume creating an updated distro to operate properly on the Raspberry Pi B+ should be quick work for someone with your skills, provided the test bed is available, yes?

If you require a Raspberry Pi B+ to test and ensure a properly operating updated PiBang, I will be willing to send you one (with a proper USB power supply, is desired).

Whatever you decide, please do advise.


Super-Nathan wrote:
pico wrote:

Are you planning support for other arm devices? I do not understand why the raspberry pi gets so much attention comparing to other devices.

As of now, No.

If you want to buy me a product-foo, I'll work on it, but I can't promise much, I am swamped with PiBang.

The reason that people care about the Pi is that it is very cheap, available, and always in the news.
The key here is cheap. It is not the best device by far, but it is good enough. Speaking as someone that is a middle school science teacher and actually uses several Pi's in the classroom, I can say that as little as $10 is a HUGE difference when I want an after-school program funded; multiply that $10 times 14 students as in my current class and you have a big number. My current class can only afford a few Pi's. That's one reason that I built PiBang, it is remarkably similar between the few Pi's that we have and the several old, battered, and barely functioning x86 laptops that I have had donated that run pure #!.

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#29 2014-11-05 09:55:01

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

@Ivan Azymov

Are the keyboard and mouse wireless?


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#30 2014-11-05 22:29:17

dbvolvox
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Ivan, It looks as though Super Nathan who did the PiBang has moved on.  The PiBang web domain has lapsed so I don't know what is the future if any for this excellent Pi flavour.  There are a number of new chips in the B+ so it looks like some sort of kernel upgrade is needed at least. You may be able to find out what other distros have done to accommodate the B+. If you are successful please post it here.

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#31 2014-11-06 18:39:23

cloverskull
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Registered: 2013-10-26
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

I've been looking for a reason to invest in a new Pi. Maybe I can work on a #!-like flavor of raspbian.

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#32 2014-11-06 19:26:11

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

cloverskull wrote:

I've been looking for a reason to invest in a new Pi. Maybe I can work on a #!-like flavor of raspbian.

That would be good - PiBang had loads of cruft and leftover waldorf bits and pieces. And why on earth GIMP came with it...? (Don't get me wrong, it's one of my favourite applications, but not on a raspi! It's like wading through treacle)


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#33 2014-11-06 22:30:16

Joe90
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Registered: 2013-10-10
Posts: 337

Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

I just killed the LXDE session and booted it to openbox on Rasbian, modded a bit from there - it doesn't take much to get crunchy - ish, you want to keep things light though on a pi. Tend to use them as a one job box - media centre, display unit etc.

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#34 2014-11-07 00:28:21

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From: England
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

I have been in touch with Nathan and can confirm he is unable to continue the PiBang project. However he did say

"99% of the code is under my personal got and anyone can fork work exactly where I left off on everything from PiBang with one exception. If someone would like to contact me for the package details regarding the PiBang keys, that have to do with package signing, I will handover the PiBang letting package. I would gladly help anyone take over."

So, new project anyone?

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#35 2014-11-30 23:08:23

Peregrino69
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From: Am*dam
Registered: 2014-11-10
Posts: 87

Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Egad! Just when I get here! Dang!

Ah well... PiBang installed now to a RasPi B, and works out of the box smile The plan is to use it in a test environment to run DHCP, DNS and other similar services, and a few select tools. As long as those work, I don't luckily need to care if PiBang never get developed further.

Which is NOT to be understood it wouldn't be a worthwhile thing to do... really hope someone picks this up. I'd do it myself but considering my vast experience in Linux development... big_smile


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#36 2014-12-01 19:07:38

Peregrino69
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From: Am*dam
Registered: 2014-11-10
Posts: 87

Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

OK, so PiBang is installed and looks good smile

Got a little issue which I hope you gentle(wo)men can help me with... it's Conky. It's right now sitting on top of all windows, which isn't very as it's blocking output from tools I need. .conkyrc is set the same way as #!, background yes, own_window yes and own_window_transparent yes.

This is to be used in a test lab, so conky is if not necessary extremely handy to have as it shows the CPU, RAM and SWAP usages. Anyone have an idea how I can get it sink to he background where it's outta way? Or alternatively just show in the second screen?


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#37 2014-12-01 19:10:08

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

@Peregrino69: post the full .conkyrc plz.

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#38 2014-12-01 20:02:30

Peregrino69
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From: Am*dam
Registered: 2014-11-10
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

# conky configuration
#
# The list of variables has been removed from this file in favour
# of keeping the documentation more maintainable.
# Check http://conky.sf.net for an up-to-date-list.
#
#
# Enjoy! :)
##############################################
# Settings
##############################################
background yes
use_xft yes
xftfont Liberation Sans:size=9
xftalpha 1
update_interval 1.0
total_run_times 0
own_window yes
own_window_transparent yes
##############################################
# Compositing tips:
# Conky can play strangely when used with
# different compositors. I have found the
# following to work well, but your mileage
# may vary. Comment/uncomment to suit.
##############################################
## no compositor
own_window_type override
own_window_argb_visual no

## compton
#own_window_type desktop
##############################################
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
double_buffer yes
minimum_size 200 200
maximum_width 240
draw_shades no
draw_outline no
draw_borders no
draw_graph_borders no
default_color 656667
default_shade_color 000000
default_outline_color 828282
alignment top_right
gap_x 12
gap_y 56
no_buffers yes
uppercase no
cpu_avg_samples 2
override_utf8_locale no
##############################################
#  Output
##############################################
TEXT
S Y S T E M    I N F O
${hr}
Host:$alignr$nodename
Uptime:$alignr$uptime
RAM:$alignr$mem/$memmax
Swap usage:$alignr$swap/$swapmax
Disk usage:$alignr${fs_used /}/${fs_size /}
CPU usage:$alignr${cpu cpu0}%


S H O R T C U T    K E Y S
${hr}
Alt+F2$alignr Run Dialog
Alt+F3$alignr Alt Menu
Super+Space$alignr Main Menu
Super+Tab$alignr Client Menu
Super+t$alignr Terminal
Super+f$alignr File Manager
Super+e$alignr Editor
Super+m$alignr Media Player
Super+w$alignr Web Browser
Super+l$alignr Lock Screen
Super+v$alignr Volume Control
Super+x$alignr Logout
PrtSc$alignr Screenshot%              

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#39 2014-12-01 20:24:52

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Thinking about this: it may be best to report your post & request it to be moved to our conky thread:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=16909
I think the mechanics should be the same even if it's Pi-based and all of our conky experts (not me!) will be more likely to see it.

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#40 2014-12-01 20:31:38

damo
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Posts: 5,434

Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Why not edit the conky so that it is a small narrow strip at top/bottom. Just has the data you want (I guess you don't need the keybinds displayed?)

There are many examples in the thread you have been pointed at, and it isn't a difficult process wink


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#41 2014-12-01 21:20:09

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

@damo - at this point yes I definitely do lol

@both - thanks, I'll check the conky thread first, and if I can't find the answer there I'll post the q there smile

EDIT

Oh god... 322 pages... sticky threads are cool, but searching for the right needle from that haystack is a monster undertaking sad

Last edited by Peregrino69 (2014-12-01 21:22:13)


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#42 2014-12-01 21:33:48

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

From man conky:

Override windows are not under the control of the window manager. Hints are ignored.

Does removing the "override" bit make it better?

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#43 2014-12-01 21:54:32

Peregrino69
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Posts: 87

Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Thanks HoaS! That did it - didn't even need to restart Conky smile


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#44 2014-12-01 21:58:42

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

Peregrino69 wrote:

@damo - at this point yes I definitely do lol

Remove those lines from your conky, and install  obkb.py wink


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#45 2014-12-02 00:01:55

jdonaghy
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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

I see that they are cheap. I honestly hadn't heard of the Pi until I started frequenting these forums and #crunchbang on IRC. My question is... how powerful are these things, really? In practical terms

Edit: Oh, wow. Nevermind. Just read this on the site.

 Overall real world performance is something like a 300Mhz Pentium II

Last edited by jdonaghy (2014-12-02 00:03:57)


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#46 2014-12-02 07:29:19

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#47 2014-12-02 13:27:54

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Re: #! for the Raspberry Pi?

^ That looks like something I'd be more inclined to purchase.

Thanks for the link.


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