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#1 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-30 00:37:49

Alad wrote:

^ Is there an actual issue with keeping libsystemd installed? It doesn't require a running systemd (as far as I know)... I do like the "nobus" idea though.

But for how long?
There is a strong tendency toward increasing dependencies there.

#2 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-28 20:01:06

damo wrote:
jeffreyC wrote:

And there is research from Japan showing 10 times the carcinogens of regular cigarettes in e-cigarettes.

Citation please?

It was linked to from the other article:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/new-research-j … co-1476932

#3 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-28 11:54:28

e-Cigarette from China Infected Man’s Computer with Malware

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/e-cigarette- … 34849.html

Through the USB charge cable.
So even if they were okay for you they're still dangerous.

And there is research from Japan showing 10 times the carcinogens of regular cigarettes in e-cigarettes.

#4 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-26 10:34:04

KrunchTime wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

Think about how long it took for "them" to come up with the fact that cigarettes are bad for you and the legal battles that were fought.

I think cigarettes were actually considered good for your health when they were fairly new.

At least into the 1950's and maybe early 1960's in the US doctors were in advertisements for cigarettes, and I've been told recommended them to patients for stress.

#5 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-26 05:03:32

A comment on Distrowatch draws a parallel between Windows svchost and systemd, noting also that both present a large "attack surface".
Making all Linux distros the same "under the hood*" would also increase vulnerability in some ways it would seem.

*That would be bonnet for the UK folks.

#6 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-26 04:57:49

CSCoder4ever wrote:

You know, if I were needing to speak another language, I'd probably speak my mother's tongue and learn Spanish, might not be a bad idea eventually.

In the US that would be the best possible second language to learn, far more useful than the French which I was stuck with and have since forgotten nearly all of.

#7 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-24 21:06:45

#!_828 wrote:

Well, first & foremost, now that I have a bayonet, I'm in need of an AKM gas block that has an intact bayonet lug (mine was apparently 'neutered' in Romania as per their local export requirements)

It isn't so much Romanian export requirements as BATFE interpretation of Title 18 of the US Code (18 USC), Chapter 44 Section 922
Be reeaally careful that you don't  build something that gets you in serious trouble.

(They HATE that they don't have a three letter acronym like all the cool kids do, gives them a bad attitude)

#8 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-22 06:34:42

Sector11 wrote:

What about electronic cigarettes? Aren’t they safe?

A study done by the FDA found cancer-causing substances in half the e-cigarette samples tested. Other impurities were also found, including one sample with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient found in antifreeze.

Think about how long it took for "them" to come up with the fact that cigarettes are bad for you and the legal battles that were fought.
It's all about $ - I personally would not trust e-smokes.  But that's me, each must decide for themselves.

Part of the problem with "how long" it took to "discover" that smoking was unhealthy was that the first scientists to discover the link were in Germany in the later part of the 1930's which made anything they did a prototypical form of politically incorrect (before there was a name for it) and so rejected out of hand.

So the British rejected the link between tobacco and cancer until the 1950's.
Perhaps that was when they finally got around to studying it.

Add in the huge political/money linkage the tobacco industry had in the US and it was in the 1960's before the evidence overwhelmed the resistance against it in the US.

#9 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-10 05:44:10

^ What he said +1

I do not and will not have a touchscreen on my computer, trying to force me to use an interface that is meant for touchscreens is bleeping stupid and asinine.
(/end of off topic rant)

#10 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-09 22:06:16

Looking at their plans systemd will become the layer between the kernel and everything else.
It is being made a dependency of more and more things.

At some point it will be impossible (or more work than anyone will do) to have a Linux system without systemd.
Then whoever controls systemd controls Linux.

#11 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-09 20:07:41

common-sense wrote:

It seems like systemd debates has the potential to emulate os-debates. fanboys on both sides, and just a few that's looking at it with open minds. What's up with those that always seems to think that what IS, will always be best... EFI sucks, systemd, sucks, yes, pretty much every major improvement sucks. But give them a few years, and they love the new stuff too...

It's just like the people who hate W8. If you put them on a W 3.11 system, they would all admit that everything wasn't better before smile

But not everything new is an improvement either.

Just because it is new does not automatically make it good or bad.

Just because it is old does not automatically make it good or bad.

(And W8 sucks because it sucks)

#12 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-09 02:13:07

Anaconda wrote:

No big deal TicTac. It's not like you were the first person to ever make that sort of slip. Probably wont be the last either.

It's not like you were the first person ever this week to make that sort of slip.

Fixed it for ya.
]:D

#13 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-08 18:53:33

m1rr0r5h4d35 wrote:

It remains to be seen if the other distros can hold out forever. Red Hat is a major upstream contributor, and we still don't really know how much of the system they plan on making systemd dependent. Pottering has expressed one of his goals is to homoginize the distros. Supposedly, they are re-thinking package management as well. I wonder if they can force that via systemd. It really feels like they just want everybody to run Red Hat with a Debian or Arch or whatever branding stamped on it. I am truly worried about the future of the Linux Distro. I am only speculating, but if Red Hat were to succeed in pushing such an agenda, I think it would be time to let Linux die a graceful death. I mean, if it turns out that is the case, it would be very hard for the distros that adopted it to back out without having to be set back by an order of magnitude. Sure, you can just switch Init systems, but you would also have to come up with some solution for every piece that systemd has swallowed in the last few years, or rely on things like shims, but that feels like a very inelegant solution -ie a stop-gap measure rather than a permanent solution.

And how long after that until they make the RedHat logo a dependency of systemd?
]:D

#14 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-11-08 18:49:38

ratcheer wrote:
josephg wrote:

i don't hate systemd. i just don't like systemd apparently becoming a dependency for everything, and instead of focussing on being init 1, is starting to take over the entire system management role and a bit more.

^ That!

Tim

Exactly!

#15 Re: CrunchBang Talk » Display manager for Janice? » 2014-11-08 18:42:45

Arpinux is/was a long time CrunchBanger, I can't really imagine him not pushing for Phillip to continue with #!

#16 Re: CrunchBang Talk » Display manager for Janice? » 2014-11-07 04:36:47

Looking at how SLiM breaks when used with systemd it appears to be only certain avoidable circumstances that cause the problem.

#17 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » NSA Reportedly Intercepting Laptops Purchased Online » 2014-11-05 00:17:32

According to FEMA a division of Dept. of Homeland Security the founders of the US were terrorists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oP1Ke70Mi8

This would include Ben Franklin

#18 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » NSA Reportedly Intercepting Laptops Purchased Online » 2014-11-03 22:25:25

TicTac wrote:

The NSA are signal analysts, nothing more and nothing less. They have zero law enforcement power and couldn't care less how many bong hits half the world takes after a hard day's work. I truly don't believe I'm nearly important enough for them to waste their time on but if they wish to keyhole my system... Good luck and more power to um', as doing so will NOT make their lives anymore exciting. hehehehe lol

Sorry but that is pure disinformation.
If the NSA are only signal analysts why have they had tanks (armored fighting vehicles) for well over 20 years?

They are larger and better equipped than the CIA, and for decades they were nearly secret, their nickname was No Such Agency.

#19 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Distro-hoppers Anonymous » 2014-11-02 09:08:20

There was a member here that was making very CrunchBang-like spins of Puppy, his name is/was ali

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=119317

#20 Re: Help & Support (Crunchbang 11 "Waldorf") » Pentium III 800MHz 128MB RAM 20GB HDD » 2014-11-01 18:12:16

Wait...what?
You guys/gals actually run Firefox without NoScript?
That add-on should be standard equipment.
I started using it in "self defense" from running across so many badly scripted webpages, since then it is the first thing I do when installing Firefox.
What a huge improvement it makes in web surfing experience.

Note: when I say Firefox I mean including Iceweasel as well, NoScript works just as well on it.

#21 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Distro-hoppers Anonymous » 2014-11-01 17:57:30

A while back I ran across a Slacko build with Openbox and tint2, Tinted Slacko is the name.
Since some like to make whatever distro they run like #! it would save time.

#22 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » Completely Off Topic Chat » 2014-11-01 17:39:28

ratcheer wrote:

I stuck with DSL way too long. 3 mbps for $44 per month plus miscellaneous taxes and fees. Earlier this year, I let them dig up my yard and install cable. Now, I get 65 mbps for $40 and no taxes or fees added. Twenty times faster for less money!

But, I realize some people can't get cable. And my intro price will go up after a year and again after two years.

Tim

A little trick to dealing with them; when the rates go up at the end of the intro period you tell a customer service rep that you are thinking of changing your service, they can give you the same intro price for another year. So once a year you do this and keep the low price.
cool

#23 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-10-29 06:06:44

twoion wrote:
jeffreyC wrote:

You know they won't do that, they break stuff and expect the kernel devs to fix it, that is why there is such bad feeling between Kay Sievers and Linus Torvalds.
And given that approach to problems do you really want them working on the kernel?
Linus  sure doesn't.

systemd is mostly project paid for by RedHat, who have plenty of people working on the kernel already. It doesn't need to be the golden boys.

And that is what worries me.

Ever watch the movie "Demolition Man"?

"All restaurants are Taco Bell"

#24 Re: Devel: CrunchBang 12 "Janice" » Ideas for Janice » 2014-10-29 06:00:09

#!_828 wrote:
Bearded_Blunder wrote:
#!_828 wrote:

...snip...  #! (under normal circumstances, not in some crazy test-contraption, or intentionally trying to refute me) has at least a 500MB hard drive & 200MB of RAM  lol

My laptop (the Compaq N200) has only 196MB of ram, all the mobo will support, so you lose bet, though it does have a hard drive that's a reasonable size..

I'm certainly not worried about shaving a few KB off a text editor though, especially since I've yet to find ANY Linux text editor as friendly as the MS-DOS one...

Due to stuff like base 8 - base 10 conversion, bit rot, etc., I'd say that 196 can be rounded up to 200 (ex. my 0.98GB of RAM, even though manufacturer documentation says 1GB, just a little rounding needed)

But you at least seem to get my point on how a few KB doesn't really impact your system that much tongue

Yeah, but then there are "salesman's kilo/megabytes" (always, ALWAYS round UP, way up)  ]:D

#25 Re: Off Topic / General Chat » boycott systemd » 2014-10-28 02:34:07

twoion wrote:
tty-tourist wrote:
Unia wrote:

Why?

I'm with Head_on_a_Stick on this.

The console is in serious need of support for decent fonts. Also, a lot of keybindings (like M-S-RET just to name one example) don't work in the Linux console ...

(Before anyone asks: M-S-RET inserts a new todo heading in org-mode ... big_smile)

They shouldn't push this because they will do it wrong.

The TTY system is very complex, probably no-one of the systemd programmers is an expert in this and the most integral part of the system interface, the part that under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever mustn't fail, the bare-bones essential interface, doesn't need a buggy (even partial) re-implementation as part of a zillion lines code tree nearly nobody is familiar with. They will most likely try to terminal multiplexing (merge tmux?) too: GNU screen has been around basically forever and is not yet bug free, tmux isn't either.

Remember, I want to run my 1990s emacs on that thing. People who touch the TTY system can't afford to break anything, and if there are people known for breaking with things, it's the Poettering connection. If they have oh-so-much energy, they should contribute to the kernel and clean up bugs there instead of duplicating effort and code (oh my, wasn't that one of their arguments in favour of systemd??! *trallala I can't hear you*). The funny thing is that this line of reasoning is totally independent from the rest of the systemd issue.

Random people go and re-implement a complex user (input) and application (text-mode UIs, libreadline) facing system, from scratch, in their spare time? Nothing can go wrong!

Things like fbterm already exists, but they are an extra and not the standard. Unnecessary complexity should never be the standard, and nobody can deny that if there is something this side project is aiming at it's 'becoming the standard'.

http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/

You know they won't do that, they break stuff and expect the kernel devs to fix it, that is why there is such bad feeling between Kay Sievers and Linus Torvalds.
And given that approach to problems do you really want them working on the kernel?
Linus  sure doesn't.

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