Network Manager broken after update

snowpine · 2010-08-11 16:57:38

I like to think of the different Debian branches as follows:

unstable = rolling release, always Sid
testing = future-stable-candidate
stable = stable
old-stable = old-stable

If you think of these branches as offices (like President or President-Elect), and the releases (etch, lenny, squeeze, etc.) as adorable characters who pass through these offices, it makes perfect sense.

Piraja · 2010-08-11 17:37:44

The replies by Aaro and Anonymous confirm the confusion about a possible post-freeze difference between Squeeze and Testing – thanks for the clarifications – but I am still wondering what I could do if I want to have a working mobile broadband (HSDPA) connection tomorrow, since it seems that it's broken with NM version 0.8.1-1. How do I downgrade to the previous version (apparently 0.8.1)? Perhaps by uninstalling (purging) NM and reinstalling from an older DEB package (0.8.1) or compiling it from source? Or can I do it via apt (I'm using aptitude as front-end) somehow?

fnordianslip · 2010-08-11 17:58:52

Piraja wrote:

but I am still wondering what I could do if I want to have a working mobile broadband (HSDPA) connection tomorrow

I suppose one option would be to hand the USB dongle off to a VM running something else and route through that.

Edit. I'm not sure but from some cursory log reading, the problem seems to me to be at a lower level than Network Manager itself, say with Modem-Manager, pppd or the kernel.

Last edited by fnordianslip (2010-08-11 18:01:47)

secdroid · 2010-08-11 19:29:00

I have a different network problem and I can confirm it has to do with Squeeze, rather than being #!-specific.

I use a wired eth0 with DHCP on my main box. My primary boot was a different partition with Squeeze/LXDE and I installed Network Manager about 10 days ago so that I could use a WiFi dongle. It broke my wired/DHCP connection. Lots of troubleshooting and I finally had to go to static IP and stop/start eth0 after boot to get a connection. First time Squeeze "left a deposit on my feet." sad No help on the Debian forums.

I switched to my #! partition. Worked fine. Finally decided to allow the DHCP and Network Manager updates to run. Bad idea. My wired connection is initialized correctly at boot 50-70% of the time. Otherwise, I have to "Disable Networking" and then "Enable Networking" to get a DHCP lease. That works about 95% of the time on the first manual Disable/Enable attempt. If it doesn't, I Disable/Enable again.

The same box runs Windows Vista (all together...Yuuck!) via the same ethernet, router, and DHCP server perfectly every time.

Over the past ten days of so, I've noticed numerous upgrades of the DHCP components and Network Manager. FWIW, I think these were all promoted to Testing before they were ready. (To beat the Freeze...?)

The only other issue I've ever had with Squeeze has been maintenance of Iceweasel. I gave up and installed Firefox from the Mozilla site. Much better.

fnordianslip · 2010-08-19 21:01:38

I noticed an update to ppp sneak in amongst all the Open Office packages, and now my 3G dongle is working again. Woohoo!

I guess I was right smile

NicePics13 · 2010-08-19 22:50:34

Experienced this as well on my netbook a few days ago when I tried out the latest nm-applet. When trying to connect the first time I think it switched the 3g dongle from modem mode to regular usb stick mode, or something, cause you couldn't dial out with the ppp daemon/wvdial after that (until mode switch or reboot). Good to know it's been fixed. wink

fnordianslip · 2010-10-11 23:06:42

Network Manager just broke again for me again after an update that removed a bunch of packages. nm-applet was no longer present. I had to (re)install network-manager-gnome after bringing up the ethernet interface on my netbook with ifconfig.

All seems good now.

vrkalak · 2010-10-12 00:36:02

fnordianslip wrote:

Network Manager just broke again for me again after an update that removed a bunch of packages. nm-applet was no longer present. I had to (re)install network-manager-gnome after bringing up the ethernet interface on my netbook with ifconfig.

Same problem here kinda/sorta. sad

I did an "aptitude full-upgrade" to my #!Statler/Debian Sid install . . . it removed many, many packages and apps.
I noticed that Gnome-Network-Manager was one of them.

I was still able to connect to the internet and D/L stuff, but the NM Applet had changed.

So, today . . . I re-installed Network-Manager-Gnome . . . just in case. neutral

Yogi · 2010-10-12 09:00:27

I'm experiencing the same problem, and presently running on the live #! since I can connect local to the WiFi, but nm-applet has gone, and I cannot authentify. No prob on the XP side of the force.

pvsage · 2010-10-12 13:31:16

I noticed a while ago that apt-get wanted to remove network-manager-gnome in an autoremove; I simply canceled the autoremove, sudo'd `apt-get install network-manager-gnome` to set it to manually installed, then went back to the autoremove.

Hopefully the "gold" release of Statler will come with network-manager-gnome as a manual install and not an autoinstall.

charlie01 · 2010-10-29 17:50:44

So is there a trick that i missed to keep this from happening again?
It wasnt a hard fix,Ill keep a manager.deb saved just in case it happens again.

Or is there a way to keep it from removing when updating or cleaning the computer.

nomalab · 2010-10-29 21:38:30

A tip for those of us who have 3g mobile broadband as our only method of connecting to the Internet (no Ethernet, no WLAN):

Download sakis3g script [1] and save it to an USB stick.

If network-manager or usb-modeswitch gets broken, you will be able to connect with sakis3g. Just make the script executable (chmod +x) and run it with:

sudo /path/to/sakis3g connect

It will try to autodetect what ever it can (and it seems to be very good at it too!) and has the latest modeswitch embedded. More information at the site. Good addition to your toolbox.

[1] http://www.sakis3g.org/

fnordianslip · 2010-10-29 22:21:14

nomalab wrote:

A tip

Nice tip. Thanks.

JustCreepin' · 2010-10-30 00:14:01

charlie01 wrote:

So is there a trick that i missed to keep this from happening again?
It wasnt a hard fix,Ill keep a manager.deb saved just in case it happens again.
Or is there a way to keep it from removing when updating or cleaning the computer.

I just reinstalled the whole system from scratch (this past week), using the "old" (at this point) Statler Alpha2 CD, the cb-welcome script ran, and the upgrades DID NOT remove the network-manager-gnome (I got caught up when it was removed in an "upgrade" in September and my wifi stopped working). I did nothing special, no "apt-get HOLD pkg" or whatever.

Since we're so close to the release, I'm hoping that this was just a bump in the road. I'm not going to save the .deb

Regards,
JustCreepin'

anonymous · 2010-10-30 00:32:44

Maybe it was autoremove and not upgrade that caused the package to be removed.

JustCreepin' · 2010-10-30 01:00:45

anonymous wrote:

Maybe it was autoremove and not upgrade that caused the package to be removed.

You're probably right - I got caught up in an overly obsessive phase with apt-get (clean, autoclean, autoremove) type stuff after every upgrade. I'm probably confusing the issue - since reinstalling, I haven't used any of those options, so I've been behaving and my system keeps working lol

Regards,
JustCreepin'

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