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anonymous

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From: Arch Linux Forums

Registered: 2008-11-29

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

@samoflange - From the Debian FAQ:

3.1.6 You are talking about testing being broken. What do you mean by that?

Sometimes, a package might not be installable through package management tools. Sometimes, a package might not be available at all, maybe it was (temporarily) removed due to bugs or unmet dependencies. Sometimes, a package installs but does not behave in the proper way.

When these things happen, the distribution is said to be broken (at least for this package).

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habtool

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From: Ireland

Registered: 2008-12-17

Posts: 13

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

@samoflange

What I would recommended for you is:

When Statler 10 comes out as stable based on Stable/Squeeze install that and stick with it for as long as
possible. Learn how to run your system and play around in debian, get familiar with the cli (terminal), play with dpkg, apt-get, aptitude and so on.
Never install Ubuntu debs in Debian. Try stick to the Debian repos and ones made for debian like the ones by Opera, Virtualbox, debian-multimedia and google. Dont add ubuntu lines to your sources.list, this in most cases is certain to hose your system as some point, as Ubuntu is a fork of Debian and is NOT binary compatible. (This was done by intent and Mark S. will say its a feature )

Then later, if you have extra free disk space, install a 2nd copy of Crunchbang and upgrade that to the testing repos of debian. Should the testing one then break badly for you, you can then boot back to the stable Crunchbang. If you don't have extra disk space, then only do the jump to testing when you are comfortable playing around with debian.

There is no rush to get into testing, as testing IS currently squeeze. Also once squeeze becomes the next debian stable, the testing repos can become quite crazy for a few weeks until they settle down after a period.

Linux is a long journey, don't rush to testing before you ready.
Debian stable will be a great place to learn and get some knowledge, without wonder about breakages.

I am back with Crunchbang on one of my partitions as running off Debian stable sounds like a great place to be when Ubuntu bugs get on my nerves.

Best of luck

Last edited by habtool (2010-03-22 07:38:30)

atomicbricks

#! CrunchBanger

From: Cambridge, MA, USA

Registered: 2010-01-12

Posts: 100

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. Once my thesis is done in a couple of months I'll be using my netbook mostly as an entertainment device, and am sure I'll be getting it into all kinds of messes while I continue along the path of figuring all of this Linux business out.

FiniteStateMachine

Part of the Machine

From: Ontario, Canada

Registered: 2009-06-29

Posts: 1,489

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

If you've got a big enough hard drive, i like to keep a stable OS in a small parition (was once Ubuntu 8.04, but will probably be Statler Stable soon enough), with minimal apps. Then use the remained of my hard drive for whatever OS i want for daily use. If the excrement impacts the rotational cooling device, then im still left with an OS to recover, or use for a short time. I also keep my data on a seperate parition from my primary OS, so this backup OS can access al my stuff.

Just  a suggestion In the case of Ubuntu 8.04, the parition was 6GB. I'm sure you could make it less if needed.

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habtool

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From: Ireland

Registered: 2008-12-17

Posts: 13

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

@blackbinary , That is pretty much how I run my system.

Good advice

snowpine

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Registered: 2008-11-24

Posts: 2,555

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Me three, CentOS (super stable) and Arch dual-boot on my work computer.

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FiniteStateMachine

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From: Ontario, Canada

Registered: 2009-06-29

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

@habtool, snowpine:

Heh, then you must be much like me... at some point, I just know im going to make my system go CRUNCH! BANG~!
[and generally, its my fault, not crunchbang's haha]

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snowpine

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Registered: 2008-11-24

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Typing this from Statler Unstable!

I started by installing the i686 Openbox "flavor" in VirtualBox.

I then edited /etc/apt/sources.list to look like this:

## CrunchBang Linux 10.xx aka Statler
## Compatible with Debian sid, but use at your own risk.
deb http://packages.crunchbanglinux.org/statler statler main
## Official Debian Repositories:
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

(Note that security is not needed for unstable.)

Then:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

No explosions, no crunch! bang!!!

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FiniteStateMachine

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

No explosions, no crunch! bang!!!

Yet!

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snowpine

#!-a-roo

Registered: 2008-11-24

Posts: 2,555

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Next step: installed the wonderful smxi script from http://smxi.org
(I have keymapped smxi to Super+U as my default update manager; IMHO Philip should consider including it in future #! releases)

If you are running Sid, one of the first questions smxi asks is if you want to add the Sidux repos to your sources. I chose 'yes' and installed the latest Sidux kernel.

Currently running (in VirtualBox) CrunchBang Statler Openbox with 2.6.33-1.slh.3-sidux-686.

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descendent87

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Registered: 2010-03-12

Posts: 19

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Would love to see a sid based crunchbang, will probably end up updating my install later.
If a proper image is made I vote for the name Crunchbang Animal

EDIT: Fixed image link

Last edited by descendent87 (2010-03-24 20:44:15)

pvsage

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From: North Carolina

Registered: 2009-10-18

Posts: 9,034

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

^ The above image link seems to be invalid, as it takes me to some bible-thumper website.

EDIT:  Thanks for fixing the link.

Last edited by pvsage (2010-03-31 00:11:55)

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rikhardfloss

#! CrunchBanger

Registered: 2009-07-27

Posts: 106

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

This is an interesting topic, thank you for raising it.

At the moment, the plan is to try and produce something stable(ish) based on Squeeze. As you are aware, it should be possible to work with that by itself by changing the sources. I have had some thoughts about producing some Sid based images, but they really are only thoughts at the moment. I would be interested to know if anyone else has had any similar thoughts.

that would be fantastic, since i'm already using a mix of testing and unstable on my debian box.

rikhardfloss

#! CrunchBanger

Registered: 2009-07-27

Posts: 106

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Id rather CrunchBang use the unstable/testing/stable names rather than specific release names like squeeze. Having rolling release would be sweet.

yes indeed, that would be nice.

rikhardfloss

#! CrunchBanger

Registered: 2009-07-27

Posts: 106

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

No explosions, no crunch! bang!!!

Yet!

lolll

by the way to avoid troubles when running a debian rolling box always take a look at this page, the debian weather before doing an upgrade.

http://edos.debian.net/weather/

snowpine

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Registered: 2008-11-24

Posts: 2,555

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Just a warning to anyone who's switched to sid: the new xserver-xorg-input-evdev may cause trouble for some. More info: http://sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB … ic&t=20505

The touchpad on my Mini 9 is really jumpy since the update.
Also there were some updates to the broadcom driver and now it won't remember my wireless password from login to login.

A few minor bumps in the road for this sid user.

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vrkalak

#! Die Hard

From: Santa Fe, NM, USA

Registered: 2009-09-14

Posts: 1,490

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Those that are using either Debian Squeeze or 'testing' must remember that Debian Squeeze will be going into 'freeze' sometime in June (I think)

Which means that Squeeze is getting ready to become the 'stable' release of Debian 6.0.

After, Squeeze goes into the 'freeze' stage, there will NOT be any updates (other than security fixes) for Squeeze or 'testing' until the freeze is over.

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snowpine

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Registered: 2008-11-24

Posts: 2,555

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Aaaand today's update to xorg-input-synaptics has fixed my Dell Mini touchpad issues. I like that about Sid; stuff usually gets fixed quick.

That being said, I think I will probably reinstall Statler Squeeze and let it go stable, once there is a final release. My netbook is one of those "stability trumps bleeding edge" use cases. I have another computer, currently running #! 9.04, which is a better candidate for the Sid treatment.

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d2ogch3n

#! CrunchBanger

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Registered: 2010-01-15

Posts: 201

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Just back from a few days journey with Sid & Sidux, it was fun but I'm glad to be back home where my trackpad works and I can click subfolders

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alon_h

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Registered: 2008-12-13

Posts: 269

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Aaaand today's update to xorg-input-synaptics has fixed my Dell Mini touchpad issues. I like that about Sid; stuff usually gets fixed quick.

That being said, I think I will probably reinstall Statler Squeeze and let it go stable, once there is a final release. My netbook is one of those "stability trumps bleeding edge" use cases. I have another computer, currently running #! 9.04, which is a better candidate for the Sid treatment.

Yes, these things always hit when you least expect... I only lost my touchpad's tapping for a few hours between reboot & update, but these were the few hours I had to mess around with my comp. & get some work done... Yet another reason to leave that sid period behind & go stable

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Sector11

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

by the way to avoid troubles when running a debian rolling box always take a look at this page, the debian weather before doing an upgrade.

http://edos.debian.net/weather/

If a link had a monetary worth, that one would be priceless!

Thanks

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anonymous

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Registered: 2008-11-29

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Is there a 5-day forecast for Debian weather?

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corenominal

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Registered: 2008-11-20

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Is there a 5-day forecast for Debian weather?

**chuckles**

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rizzo

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Registered: 2008-11-25

Posts: 5,109

Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Overall, I think this type of support would make a nice community project. It will probably happen informally through the forums but it would be nice if a group could organise it in some way when the time comes (perhaps on the wiki).

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Re: Suggestion: Support stable/unstable conversion

Is there a 5-day forecast for Debian weather?

**chuckles**

Now that would look good in conky 

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