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#1 2014-07-23 17:12:20

olegabrielz
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Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

I have had my HP Pavilion dv6645eo for over ten years now. I have only updated from 2GiB to 4GiB RAM and from 160GiB HDD to 240GiB SSD. I love my old HP and I'm going to use it until it dies big_smile

Anyway - I have decided to buy myself a new laptop, giving my old one an easier life wink  I am looking for a powerfull and really solid workhorse that hopefully will last 10+ years. I don't care much about price. I just want every tiny bit of hardware in it to be fully compatible with CrunchBang 12 Janice. And if it's possible - No driver issues at all..!! (please)   Yes, I want the perfect wedding between hardware and #!

Any suggestions to what could be the best hardware for this wedding?

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#2 2014-07-23 19:25:08

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

olegabrielz wrote:

Any suggestions to what could be the best hardware for this wedding?

I'm not a laptop person, but LOVE the story about your HP Laptop.

This is just a thought I'm tossing this out for you to think about and others that know more to offer feedback / advice.

#! Waldorf is old, you will have problems with 'newer hardware & drivers' ... so why not wait for #! 12 (Janice)?

The apps will be newer and you'll probably have a better chance of finding a happier marriage between hardware / drivers and #! Janice.


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#3 2014-07-23 20:11:56

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

#! Waldorf is old, you will have problems with 'newer hardware & drivers' ... so why not wait for #! 12 (Janice)?

Not only that, but any new laptop will be UEFI boot so you will have to take that into consideration. I haven't had any luck getting Debian install CD's to boot on my newer Toshiba with UEFI (Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuse will). There is always BIOS legacy mode.

As far as hardware is concerned, broadcom wireless still seems to be a hassle for many people so may be best to avoid laptops with those chipsets.

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#4 2014-07-23 20:20:34

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

A good advice Sector11 and PackRat

I will edit my posted requirements to fit this new idea. I just love the #! Waldorf I have on my HP and did not think about the obvious alternative. Now you gave me a good reason to upgrade to Janice and try It out smile

Thanks again Sector11

And come on people - Give me som hardware recommendations here big_smile

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#5 2014-07-23 23:23:52

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#6 2014-07-23 23:58:03

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

What Laptop Should I Buy Question Form!

    What is your budget?   I will pay what it costs!!
    What country will you be buying this notebook in?   Norway (mostly)
    What notebook size(s) do you prefer?   15"+
    Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?   Nope
    Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?   I would like a new one smile
    What are the primary tasks you will be performing with this notebook?
      -Web Surfing
      -Office and Productivity Software
      -Listening and production of music
      -Photo Editing
      -Movie Watching (Netflix etc.)
      -HDMI
    Will you be taking the laptop with you to different places or leaving it on your desk?   Both
    How many hours of battery life do you need?  X hours
    Do you prefer to purchase online or in store?  Both
    What OS do you prefer?   #!
    Screen Specifics  -  As good as it gets!
    Do you want a Glossy screen or a Matte screen?  either is fine with me
   
Build Quality and Design
    Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?  Nope
    Give an approximate date you will be buying this laptop:   ASAP
    How long do you want this laptop to last?   10+ years

Notebook Components
    How much storage do you need?  250 to 500GiB
    Are you interested in SSD?   Yes, thank you smile
    Do you need a built-in optical drive? If yes, a CD/DVD Burner or Blu-Ray drive?   Nope

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#7 2014-07-24 00:09:29

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Consider a Thinkpad T540p configured with the 3K IPS screen. The FHD (1080p) screen is not IPS unfortunately.

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#8 2014-07-24 02:15:47

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Thanks anonymous, a grate choice!!

I have been reading some threads about the subject (in secrecy) and Lenovo ThinkPad T540p seems to be a solid workhorse. A good candidate for sure!!

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#9 2014-07-24 03:08:49

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Lenovo ROCKS, I still have my 5 year old T400 and an even older T61, both up and running also powered by #!
No hardware problems or incompatibility issues

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#10 2014-07-25 10:49:55

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Now I have been looking at the specs of T540p. I also took a look at a review on youtube. The one thing that sat me off a bit was the touchpad. A discussion about the subject is here. Another issue is the absence of HDMI-output. But there is an adapter I can buy, DisplayPort to HDMI, but with some issues with the audio. Fortunately It does not affect me wink

I really like the specs on T540p, but I am extremly skeptical to that new "wobbly-mouse-fiftytouch-thingy"!!
Is there any good alternatives to the T540p without the known issues? I really like the rest of it smile

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#11 2014-07-25 12:10:03

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Just to add my bit: the current Debian 7.6 (& the Testing) netinstall .iso will boot up & install in EFI-mode; to install you will need an EFI system partition (512MiB, FAT32-formatted), marked in the Debian installer's manual partitioning section as the "EFI boot partition".
I have done this with a recent laptop & it now runs Jessie (Debian 8-to-be) in EFI-mode --- my hardware is all Intel and works flawlessly with Jessie.
From a netinstall, see this thread to crunchbangify it (is that a verb?)...
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EDIT: I forgot, I needed the non-free iwlwifi driver for the wireless to work; you can download .iso's with the non-free stuff enabled.

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#12 2014-07-25 15:02:18

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

@Head_on_a_Stick: Thank you for bringing some healthy panic into this thread yikes

I don't have a wired or wifi internet connection, only a mobile broadband USB-stick. And I don't know how to get that up and running without the convenience of nm-applet. And for me to do that from a netinstall with Debian core system could be quite interesting. Maybe I should rig up a camera, record the sequence, and post it on youtube with the subject: Stupid newbie gets kicked in the face by a hard'core' debian!!

Joke aside smile
I can probably do this, but I need people to point me in the right direction. That is why I did start this thread. I want to buy myself a new Laptop, a new companion for many years to come. I'm not an experienced Linux user, but I learn new things every day. And you guys are an incredible source of knowledge.

Thank you guys!!

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#13 2014-07-25 15:08:11

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

You could try this thread, but it's a bit old... hmm
EDIT: you may have to install usb-modeswitch for the advice given in the link to work...

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#14 2014-07-25 20:56:49

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

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Turning out to be an excellent thread!

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#15 2014-07-26 02:05:00

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

olegabrielz wrote:

Is there any good alternatives to the T540p without the known issues? I really like the rest of it smile

The HP equivalent would be the HP ZBook 15. I don't know how an SVA panel compares to IPS though. Going with Dell you can try the Latitude E6540.

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#16 2014-07-26 10:26:43

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

anonymous wrote:

The HP equivalent would be the HP ZBook 15. I don't know how an SVA panel compares to IPS though. Going with Dell you can try the Latitude E6540.

Thank you for bringing two more options into consideration. And I think I just heard the heart of my old and beloved HP skipped a few bits..!!  yikes

edit:
I forgot to mention it:  Yesterday I tried to upgrade my old HP form Waldorf to Janice by changing the repos, update and upgrade, without any luck. To day I will try a clean install from Debian 7.6 Jessie netinstall Debian Jessie Alpha 1 netinstaller. Try the thread that Head_on_a_Stick posted to make my mobile broadband USB-stick work from Debian core system, and then crunchbangify it. This could be one of those fine youtube moments  monkey

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#17 2014-07-26 12:13:36

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

olegabrielz wrote:

I will try a clean install from Debian 7.6 Jessie netinstall.

There's no such thing: Debian 7.6 is the current version of Wheezy (Stable).
Jessie is a rolling release & as such does not have a version number. When Jessie moves over to Stable in May, it will become Debian 8...
I would recommend using a Debian 7.6 (Wheezy/Stable) netinstall --- this should still be compatible with the #! (Waldorf) repo's.
There is no Janice as such (it will be released after Debian 8.0); if you plan to run Debian Testing (Jessie) it's probably best to remove the #!/Waldorf repos from your sources.list and also get rid of /etc/apt/preferences.


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#18 2014-07-26 12:45:50

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

@ Head_on_a_Stick:   Thanks ops
And sorry for that one. This is a bit technical and hard to understand.

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#19 2014-07-26 12:54:28

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

^ No need to be sorry, I've only recently learned all this myself big_smile
EDIT: just to note, all current EFI-enabled laptops should (it's in the spec) have an option in the BIOS to disable EFI-mode and enable "Legacy" mode or the "CSM" (Compatibility Support Module/Mode) --- this will enable booting of the current #! .iso. The only problem then is the #! .iso is based on Debian 7.0 & will require ~200MiB of updates...

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#20 2014-07-29 13:57:00

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Now I have decided to go with Lenovo ThinkPad T540p or the HP ZBook. My conservative side pushes me towards T540p. But, because of my love and experience with the old one I'm having now, I'm drawn towards ZBook. Can someone please push me one way or the other? I'm struggling to decide  sad

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#21 2014-07-29 14:01:37

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

+1 Lenovo!!


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#22 2014-07-29 14:03:58

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^That was quick.. Thanks!!

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#23 2014-07-29 14:04:15

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

Just remember that Both are made in China, so the difference in Quality isn't there.

I'd go T540p personally though because of the backlit keyboard! Which is unbelievably helpful, especially if you type a lot!


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#24 2014-07-29 14:10:44

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^Hehe.. It would not be a surprise if even norwegian cheese are made in china to day..!!

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#25 2014-07-30 09:31:47

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Re: Please guide me to a new exelent Laptop

CSCoder4ever wrote:

Just remember that Both are made in China, so the difference in Quality isn't there.

Somewhat off-topic:
I can't help myself but have to comment. In my experience there is no correlation between manufacturing quality and manufacturing location.

Exhibit 1: In the 1990s I was involved in engineering products manufactured simultaneously in Sweden, the U.S. and in Brazil. The Brazil factory was the best of the three. That was then. Now I hear that factory is in poor shape. New leadership...

Exhibit 2: When I grew up no-one in their right mind expected quality products from UK manufacturing. Today I drive a 14 year old Honda which as far as I know was assembled in Swindon. I have owned it for twelve years and there isn't much bad I can tell you about it.

Exhibit 3: A friend of mine is importing a certain line of sailboats since ten plus years. Some five years ago manufacturing was moved from the U.S. to Vietnam. The boats from Vietnam are better built and better protected for shipping.

Exhibit 4: If you have an hour to spare listen to this radio show.

Back on topic:
Where I work we have HP laptops apart from some lab computers which are HP desktops. HP runs our IT these days :-( The laptops are mostly Elitebooks. We run either W7 or Suse. There are tons of HP and corporate add-ons to the OS -- at least for W7. A colleague was buying a laptop the other year and he really only had two hard requirements: No Windows and no HP. He had had enough of both :-)

/Martin

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