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#1 2013-09-01 08:50:09

mosselman
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Mirror offered by iPredator

Hi Guys,

The other day I was downloading my first copy of the #! .iso and it took quite a while through the torrent. So I thought, that we could do better. I then e-mailed the guys at http://ipredator.se and it turns out they are very much willing to host #! for free on their servers. This would mean that we can download the iso a lot more quickly.

Now there are some practical issues to work out. Mainly they ask:

"How do you prefer to sync your master site with us?"

I am not involved in the dev-team so I am sure someone else is a lot better suited to answer this.

What do we think? Is this a good step forward in making the image available?

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#2 2013-09-01 13:54:07

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

The only person that could possibly answer that would be corenominal.


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#3 2013-09-01 18:15:56

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Thanks Sector11. Anyway to get in touch with corenominal directly? Or could you get him to read this thread or something?

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#4 2013-09-01 18:27:30

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

I guess you can PM him but I'm not sure how active he is. Last time I've seen him is a while ago.

You can also use his profile for alternative ways to get in touch.


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#5 2013-09-01 18:40:06

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Corenominal seems to be more active on Twitter lately than anywhere else.
https://twitter.com/corenominal/


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#6 2013-09-01 20:35:07

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Thanks guys. I sent him an e-mail.

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#7 2013-09-01 22:01:51

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

What could possibly go wrong with a site called "ipredator?"

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#8 2013-09-01 22:18:20

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

@august

Haha the name is a bit unfortunate wink. They offer VPN services and are somehow affiliated with The Pirate Bay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipredator [source]

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#9 2013-09-01 23:37:20

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

If the torrent is slow, doesn't that mean there aren't enough people seeding it?


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#10 2013-09-02 00:00:13

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

^ My guess as well.


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#11 2013-09-02 00:58:42

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

demifiend wrote:

If the torrent is slow, doesn't that mean there aren't enough people seeding it?

True, but that doesn't change the fact that the torrent is slow. It is probably a lot easier to host the files on some http server than it is to persuade a bunch of people to seed the file more.

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#12 2013-09-02 01:19:10

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Boh... It's been some time since I downloaded it, but I really don't remember it was too slow... I am still seeding it, anyway.

But I do agree it would be cool to have a http download, too. So everybody chooses whatever download method suites them. My choice would still be torrent, though. :-)


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#13 2013-09-02 01:29:17

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

frankob wrote:

Boh... It's been some time since I downloaded it, but I really don't remember it was too slow... I am still seeding it, anyway.

But I do agree it would be cool to have a http download, too. So everybody chooses whatever download method suites them. My choice would still be torrent, though. :-)

You are right, having both options is great.

I have no idea how long it took me exactly, but it took me well over 40 minutes to get the image through torrent. While ~800mb should only have taken me ~1 minute with HTTP on my connection.

Another argument, I believe, for HTTP is that you don't need extra tools to download.

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#14 2013-09-02 01:48:20

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

^ True, but still, I think a torrent client is a common tool on any system nowadays.

I see you have a great connection, then. :-) But I live in Croatia, and with my student's budget, I am stuck with a basic 4 Mbit/s connection... :-/ In this scenario, a nicely seeded torrent is often faster then a direct http download.
On the other hand, an overcrowded http download would get slowed down, too. While in torrent, it's the other way around: the more people are there, the faster it goes.

But yes, different scenarios are asking for different download methods. So both would be nice.


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#15 2013-09-02 02:57:35

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

For what it's worth, it only took me <10 minutes to download the ISO via torrent about a month ago.  Even with slower connections, ~40 minutes doesn't really seem so unreasonable for a 750MB image...a while ago there was a post about a torrent-to-direct-download service, and it took me 4 hours to download the ISO through this (as moderator, I had to verify that the resulting download didn't contain spyware, adware, or sinks); even this was deemed a reasonable alternative for those who have no other way to get the ISO.  The more direct download links, though, the merrier! monkey

@mosselman:  Is it possible your ISP detects swarming and throttles your connection?  This is not uncommon, especially with corporate networks. sad


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#16 2013-09-02 04:30:04

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Downloading now with a view to seeding. It's indeed under 10 minutes, with 57-60 peers. Will download the 32-bit one as well.


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#17 2013-09-02 04:33:28

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

Ok, both 32-bit versions.


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#18 2013-09-02 04:53:09

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

there are bottle necks via torrents(not to mention limiting uploading)those uploading to others and you; direct server downloading from and you as well as server load and you(are you dling other things) any network has limits. there is also read write limits which can bottle neck and processing info. know thy self...know thy system;)

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#19 2013-09-02 08:06:39

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

I alway use a direct download, that's why I'm still using 19/1/2013 dist to install from, even with upgrading afterwards it's much quicker than a torrent.

(Also why I tried out AntiX again, straight forward download.)


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#20 2013-09-24 19:21:09

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

I get the feeling that if the status quo would be the other way around; there is a direct download location available and I would suggest starting a Torrent setup, the same people would argue against the Torrent. Claiming that Torrents are better than a direct download is just silly. It may well be that it takes under 10 minutes for the torrent, but a direct http would still be faster on that same connection.

I am glad I am not alone though in thinking a direct download is a good idea. If corenominal ever comes across this he is free to contact me.

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#21 2013-09-28 18:54:38

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

mosselman wrote:

While ~800mb should only have taken me ~1 minute with HTTP on my connection.

If you don't mind my asking, where are you located and what ISP are you using? Because that seems kinda amazing.

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#22 2013-09-28 19:17:52

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Re: Mirror offered by iPredator

antiv0rtex wrote:
mosselman wrote:

While ~800mb should only have taken me ~1 minute with HTTP on my connection.

If you don't mind my asking, where are you located and what ISP are you using? Because that seems kinda amazing.

I get similar speeds using Comcast Xfinity here in Miami. Typical downloads are about 1.3Mbits/second.

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