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#1 2013-07-18 11:35:41

rmcellig
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Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

My Mom has an Acer Aspire All In One 5600 desktop computer.

I have tried the following distros:

Puppy Linux,
Xubuntu, Lubuntu
Linux  Lite
Mint 15
as  well as a  few other distros

Right now I have her using Puppy Linux 5.2.8

Her needs are very simple:
Solitaire
Skype
Facebook, Banking,Mail (I use Firefox or Chrome for this)

She would need a single mouse click solution or something similar. It has to be easy. Look at this  from the perspective of a senior.

Her eyesight isn't the greatest so  the fonts as  well as  the mouse pointer must be large.

I love Crunchbang for it's simplicity,  flexibility and speed.

I will be trying later booting from the #! CD and see how  it goes. She said I can  have  her computer for a week to come up with a simple solution. 

Thanks  so much for the feedback!!!


Cheers Randy
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www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#2 2013-07-18 12:07:07

Naik
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Hey rmcelling!

I would say: Yes Crunchbang is!

for a fast and and simple one-click-solution i would:

(-replace grub with syslinux for means of speed)
-let slim autologin
-strip down tint2 to only launchers with the most common applications (and very big icons)
-set openbox to only have one workspace and large lettering
-clean up openbox-menu
-strip down conky to only display  HUGH clock (maybe analog) and a calender if wanted
-find a nice wallpaper

..and call it GrannyBang.
(don`t mean to offend s.o.)

sounds like a lot of work, but i think it isn`t that hard to do and i really think the default configs arn`t something i would present to my grandparents ;-)
i hope i could help you, and if you have trouble doing one of the things i have mentioned, feel free to ask.
Thoug there are probably more knowlageable people round here.

greetz -naik


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#3 2013-07-18 12:23:08

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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

... please don't call it grannybang... o.O

Essentially a larger font in the menu and clock - add a preset key for chrome, solitaire, skype and email (F1, F2, F3 and F4 would be good) and you are set to go. That one-click thing can be set in thunar so thats all good.


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#4 2013-07-18 12:42:29

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Grannybang? Love it! Someone should make a fork of #! geared towards seniors. What a great name!

So far this is what I have done:

(-replace grub with syslinux for means of speed) - Not sure how to do this
-let slim autologin  Not sure how to do this
-strip down tint2 to only launchers with the most common applications (and very big icons)  Not sure how to do this
-set openbox to only have one workspace and large lettering -  Done
-clean up openbox-menu  Done
-strip down conky to only display  HUGH clock (maybe analog) and a calender if wanted Not sure how to do this
-find a nice wallpaper Done


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#5 2013-07-18 15:57:13

guantas
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

May it help Granny?
Symbaloo


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#6 2013-07-18 16:32:16

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Cool.


Cheers Randy
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www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#7 2013-07-18 17:15:52

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

There are two items from Nalk's list that I need to do. I don't think I will go with the large icons on tint2 because I would need to change the height of tint2 to something really big. This will take up quite a bit of screen real estate.


Still not sure how to do these:

strip down conky to only display hugh clock and a calender

replace grub with syslinux


Cheers Randy
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www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#8 2013-07-18 17:36:58

guantas
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Very big launchers with adeskbar dock (autohide)

1374168964.png


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#9 2013-07-18 17:50:13

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Now those are big icons. Thanks! I will see if this works for her.


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#10 2013-07-18 17:50:56

pidsley
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

rmcellig wrote:

replace grub with syslinux

My 2-cent opinion: this really won't buy you much boot speed, especially if you set the grub timeout to just a few seconds. It can also cause some problems with kernel updates, if you get any.

If you still want to try it: http://www.vxbus.com/software/linux/161 … oader.html

For larger icons with launchers, you might consider using lxpanel or fbpanel, and set the panel to autohide when it's not in use. Moving the mouse to the panel location will cause it to reappear.

Personally, I'd set my relatives up with an LXDE or Xfce desktop, rather than the default Openbox.

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#11 2013-07-18 17:53:24

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

I tried LXDE and XFCE distros but I wanted to scale down to something really simple with nothing on the desktop aside from what she needs.


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#12 2013-07-18 17:56:36

pidsley
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

I told you my opinion was worth two cents... :-)

Do you have autologin working now?

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#13 2013-07-18 18:00:09

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Your opinion is worth more than 2 cents smile I have autologin working thanks to Slimconf. I will stay with GRUB. Last think I am my Mom need are quirky things that might occur.

So the only thing left is how to configure conky to display an analog clock and/or calendar.

I have never used conky before except for modifying the Crunchbang conkyrc file.


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#14 2013-07-18 18:49:08

guantas
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

The clock is not analog but...
Adeskbar could be autohide or intellihide
And you can choose précisely the size of the icons.

1374173184.png


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#15 2013-07-18 18:59:41

pidsley
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

rmcellig wrote:

So the only thing left is how to configure conky to display an analog clock and/or calendar.

Ask in the monster conky thread -- that's where the conky experts hang out. There are a number of analog clock conky configs posted on various sites, from simple to very complex. Here is a simple one I like:
2013_07_18_115216_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

And fancy:
2013_07_18_115347_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

Another option is to use a digital clock with large numbers, like this:
2013_07_18_121851_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

The digital clock is much easier to code in conky.

Last edited by pidsley (2013-07-18 19:19:43)

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#16 2013-07-18 19:57:26

Naik
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Registered: 2012-11-16
Posts: 526

Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

replacing grub:

##get extlinux/syslinux

apt-get install -y extlinux syslinux-common
extlinux --install /boot/extlinux
clear fdisk -l

##write new mbr to $DISK (eg /dev/sda/)

cat /usr/lib/extlinux/mbr.bin >$DISK

##config extlinux

cd /tmp
wget http://pibanglinux.org/pastebin/super.tar.bz2 -O /tmp/super.tar.bz2 
tar xjfv super.tar.bz2 
cp -r /tmp/super /usr/share/syslinux/themes/
sed -i /etc/default/extlinux -e 's#EXTLINUX_THEME="debian"#EXTLINUX_THEME="super"#'
sed -i /etc/default/extlinux -e 's#EXTLINUX_TIMEOUT="1"#EXTLINUX_TIMEOUT="1"#'
sed -i /etc/default/extlinux -e 's#EXTLINUX_PARAMETERS="ro quiet""#EXTLINUX_PARAMETERS="quiet"#'
extlinux-update

##remove grub (optional but recomended)

apt-get remove -y grub-common grub-pc

##reboot
..

got this from one of the other forum members but i really can`t find the thread no more...
sorry unknown master!

and how to get a calender for Conky is explained here or here

i think this should help...
greetz -naik


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#17 2013-07-18 21:10:07

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Thanks Nalk!

I have this code in my conky setup. One thing I can't figure out is how to increase the font size of the time. The date size is fine.

${alignr}${font Arial Black:size:14}${time %r}${font}
${alignr}${Time %A %m %d %Y}

Is this the wrong code to use?


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#18 2013-07-18 21:13:05

pidsley
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Posts: 1,752

Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Try this:

${font Arial Black:size=24}$alignr${time %r}
${font Arial Black:size=14}$alignr${time %A %m %d %Y}

Last edited by pidsley (2013-07-18 21:23:03)

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#19 2013-07-18 21:28:37

rmcellig
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From: Ottawa, Canada
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Posts: 498
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Thanks! It works....sort of. The color and size of my keyboard shortcuts changes as well and the color changes to white


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#20 2013-07-18 21:33:25

pidsley
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Does your mother need the keyboard shortcuts? :-) Delete them from conkyrc if she doesn't. Otherwise, if the clock code is before the shortcuts, you will need to set the font back to the default for the shortcuts. Color I'm not sure about. Please post your .conkyrc file.

Last edited by pidsley (2013-07-18 23:06:23)

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#21 2013-07-18 21:59:05

rmcellig
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From: Ottawa, Canada
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Here it is. I think my brian is fried from all this #! excitement. This has been a really fun day! smile

# conky configuration
#
# The list of variables has been removed from this file in favour
# of keeping the documentation more maintainable.
# Check http://conky.sf.net for an up-to-date-list.
#
# For ideas about how to modify conky, please see:
# http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/59/my-conky-config/
#
# For help with conky, please see:
# http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2047/conky-help/
#
# Enjoy! :)
##############################################
# Settings
##############################################
background yes
use_xft yes
xftfont Liberation Sans:size=20
xftalpha 1
update_interval 1.0
total_run_times 0
own_window no
own_window_transparent no
own_window_type desktop
#own_window_argb_visual yes
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
double_buffer yes
minimum_size 200 200
maximum_width 340
draw_shades no
draw_outline no
draw_borders no
draw_graph_borders no
default_color FFFFFF
#656667
default_shade_color fffffff
default_outline_color 828282
alignment top_right
gap_x 12
gap_y 56
no_buffers yes
uppercase no
cpu_avg_samples 2
override_utf8_locale no
##############################################
#  Output
##############################################




TEXT
##S Y S T E M    I N F O
##${hr}
##Host:$alignr$nodename
##Uptime:$alignr$uptime
##RAM:$alignr$mem/$memmax
##Swap usage:$alignr$swap/$swapmax
##Disk usage:$alignr${fs_used /}/${fs_size /}
##CPU usage:$alignr${cpu cpu0}%

${alignr}${font Arial Black:size:14}${time %r}${font}
${alignr}${Time %A %m %d %Y}

##${font Arial Black:size=24}$alignr${time %r}
##${font Arial Black:size=14}$alignr${time %A %m %d %Y}

${execp python /home/randy/documents/conkycal.py}

##S H O R T C U T    K E Y S
##${hr}
Alt Menu$alignr Alt+F3
Audacity$alignr F1
Client Menu$alignr Super+Tab
Editor$alignr Super+e
Filezilla$alignr F2
Home$alignr Super+f
Internet$alignr Super+w
Lock Screen$alignr Super+l
Logout$alignr Super+x
Main Menu$alignr Super+Space
Media Player$alignr Super+m
Run Dialog$alignr Alt+F2
Screenshot$alignr PrtSc
Task Manager$alignr Super+h
Terminal$alignr Super+t
Volume Control$alignr Super+v

Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#22 2013-07-18 22:45:01

pidsley
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Try this one. I changed the time format a little; if you really want seconds just change it back to what you had. If the font size for the shortcuts is wrong, you can change that too. If you don't want the clock to be white, change the ${color ffffff} to something else. If you want it to be gray like everything else, just remove the ${color ffffff} entirely.

background yes
use_xft yes
xftfont Liberation Sans:size=9
xftalpha 1
update_interval 1.0
total_run_times 0
own_window yes
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_type desktop
#own_window_argb_visual yes
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
double_buffer yes
minimum_size 200 200
maximum_width 10000
draw_shades no
draw_outline no
draw_borders no
draw_graph_borders no
default_color 656667
default_shade_color 000000
default_outline_color 828282
alignment top_right
gap_x 10
gap_y 56
no_buffers yes
uppercase no
cpu_avg_samples 2
override_utf8_locale no

TEXT
${color ffffff}${font Arial Black:size=24}$alignr${time %l:%M %p}
${font Arial Black:size=14}$alignr${time %A %m %d %Y}

${execp python /home/randy/documents/conkycal.py}

${color}${font Liberation Sans:size=18}
Alt Menu$alignr Alt+F3
Audacity$alignr F1
Client Menu$alignr Super+Tab
Editor$alignr Super+e
Filezilla$alignr F2
Home$alignr Super+f
Internet$alignr Super+w
Lock Screen$alignr Super+l
Logout$alignr Super+x
Main Menu$alignr Super+Space
Media Player$alignr Super+m
Run Dialog$alignr Alt+F2
Screenshot$alignr PrtSc
Task Manager$alignr Super+h
Terminal$alignr Super+t
Volume Control$alignr Super+v

Last edited by pidsley (2013-07-18 22:51:47)

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#23 2013-07-18 23:56:58

rmcellig
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Thanks!


Cheers Randy
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www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#24 2013-07-20 15:16:11

rmcellig
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Registered: 2012-11-15
Posts: 498
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Now that I have her computer ready for the most part, there are a few little things I have to take care of. One of them is an easy GUI way of setting the time. My understanding is that the only way is to use tzdata. I haven't used this yet. I'll have to search for a tutorial in this forum to see if there is a way to set the time/timezone. Aside from that, getting back to my Mom's computer, a GUI solution would be nice. I'm not in the xfce environment but opted instead to stay with Openbox.


Cheers Randy
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www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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#25 2013-07-23 13:13:38

rmcellig
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From: Ottawa, Canada
Registered: 2012-11-15
Posts: 498
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Re: Is Crunchbang up for the task - My Mom's computer

Who said that #! was for nerds and advanced users? I just received a call from my Mom thanking me for maiking her Acer #! friendly. All she needs to know is F1, F2 and F3. She is totally amazed at how easy and quick #! is to use. Just thought I would pass along the fruits of my labor and that it is paying off in a big way. smile


Cheers Randy
www.mcran.com - my web site
www.chuo.fm - My radio show Sundays  noon-2pm EST or 89.1 fM

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