SEARCH

Enter your search query in the box above ^, or use the forum search tool.

You are not logged in.

#1 2013-07-22 21:42:23

tty-tourist
#! CrunchBangian
From: The void within the swirl
Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 272

Why tty?

Just wondering: the tty's you enter when pressing ctrl+altF1-F6 - what do people actually use them for? I get that you can use them to sort things out if X freezes or something like that but are they used for anything else? Does anyone use them for the same things for which they would use terminal emulators in X or are they for special kinds of tasks?

Last edited by tty-tourist (2013-07-22 21:43:44)


^ The CrunchBanger formerly known as andreas-r

"You're just a tourist with a typewriter." - Charlie Meadows, Barton Fink

Offline

Be excellent to each other!

#2 2013-07-22 21:50:53

VastOne
#! Ranger
From: V-Ger
Registered: 2011-04-26
Posts: 10,163
Website

Re: Why tty?

I use them to avoid Xserver for updates, especially when using smxi

It is a console so that you can access things in the event of failure to load the file system or X

Here is a good page to see it's history and importance


VSIDO | Words That Build Or Destroy

We do not run from challenges, they become new innovations within VSIDO!

Offline

#3 2013-07-22 22:18:37

wuxmedia
wookiee madclaw
From: Back in Blighty
Registered: 2012-03-09
Posts: 1,472
Website

Re: Why tty?

I use it for ssh'ing into my server, i use tmux and the key bindings don't work on my xterminal, sometimes other keybindings take precedence, like F1 in a CLI app translates as the term emulator help.
I treat them like extra desktops for heavy CLi sessions.
hardcore users (or wannabes like me) can do nearly everything on them - http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=26048

@vasty - nice link, i'd read it before but really good to have a re-read after a bit more experience.

Offline

#4 2013-07-23 02:25:23

Leviathann
Member
From: Arch
Registered: 2013-07-20
Posts: 22

Re: Why tty?

Some people claim to live in the command line and only use tty.

Last edited by Leviathann (2013-07-23 02:25:48)

Offline

#5 2013-07-23 07:35:39

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 12,690

Re: Why tty?

I've never actually used more than two ttys at a time, and even that felt cumbersome.  I'd love to hear from anyone who's logged into all six and thought "If only I had a couple more..."

Seems to me that having so many ttys available is a remnant from the old Unix and PC/M days when multiple users would log into a mainframe from dumb terminals.  Having said that, there's something strangely intoxicating about using CURSES apps in a tty on a 1920x1080 monitor. monkey


I'm a moderator here.  How are we doing?  Feedback is encouraged.

Offline

#6 2013-07-23 07:50:11

DebianJoe
#! Code Whisperer
From: The Bleeding Edge
Registered: 2013-03-13
Posts: 1,207
Website

Re: Why tty?

pvsage wrote:

I'd love to hear from anyone who's logged into all six and thought "If only I had a couple more..."

Hey, pvsage.  You're hearing from me.

Offline

#7 2013-07-23 07:53:29

tty-tourist
#! CrunchBangian
From: The void within the swirl
Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 272

Re: Why tty?

Thanks for the replies. As I'm getting better friends with the command line I was wondering what full screen terminal emulators are out there when I somewhat embarrassingly remembered those tty's that I've never used. Will start using at least one from now on ...

Last edited by tty-tourist (2013-07-23 08:06:48)


^ The CrunchBanger formerly known as andreas-r

"You're just a tourist with a typewriter." - Charlie Meadows, Barton Fink

Offline

#8 2013-07-23 07:55:06

fatmac
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-11-14
Posts: 1,948

Re: Why tty?

Before GUIs came along you used a separate terminal (tty) for each program you wanted to keep running, editor, mail, music, spreadsheet, calculator, web browser, & anything else you didn't want to keep closing & restarting.

Else you used a multiplexer like 'screen', which let you run multiple programs under just one tty, switching between them using a keystroke combination, (similar to having multiple windows in a GUI).

A tty was also the way you interacted with a remote server.


Linux since 1999
Currently:  AntiX, & Crunchbang.
A good general beginners book for Linux :- http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
A good Debian read :- http://debian-handbook.info/get/now/

Offline

#9 2013-07-23 07:57:19

DebianJoe
#! Code Whisperer
From: The Bleeding Edge
Registered: 2013-03-13
Posts: 1,207
Website

Re: Why tty?

Don't just use them...customize them. big_smile

I've talked a LOT about what you're asking when it comes to applying tty's to desktop usage instead of the old teletypes.  Perhaps if it's something that you're interested in, you can learn from my mistakes.

Offline

#10 2013-07-23 08:00:53

mynis01
#! Die Hard
From: 127.0.0.1
Registered: 2010-07-02
Posts: 1,965

Re: Why tty?

Once you get used to using tmux and mkfifo and different tools, there's really nothing you can't do from a TTY. I have 12 enabled on my machine.

Offline

#11 2013-07-23 08:10:47

tty-tourist
#! CrunchBangian
From: The void within the swirl
Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 272

Re: Why tty?

Cool, a lot of stuff to check out in the world of tty!


^ The CrunchBanger formerly known as andreas-r

"You're just a tourist with a typewriter." - Charlie Meadows, Barton Fink

Offline

#12 2013-07-23 08:29:28

Leviathann
Member
From: Arch
Registered: 2013-07-20
Posts: 22

Re: Why tty?

DebianJoe wrote:
pvsage wrote:

I'd love to hear from anyone who's logged into all six and thought "If only I had a couple more..."

Hey, pvsage.  You're hearing from me.


Lol, why am I not surprised.

Offline

#13 2013-07-23 08:29:41

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 12,690

Re: Why tty?

DebianJoe wrote:
pvsage wrote:

I'd love to hear from anyone who's logged into all six and thought "If only I had a couple more..."

Hey, pvsage.  You're hearing from me.

Hi, DebianJoe.  (sheepishly waving back)

mynis01 wrote:

Once you get used to using tmux and mkfifo and different tools, there's really nothing you can't do from a TTY. I have 12 enabled on my machine.

OK, now I'm impressed. cool


I'm a moderator here.  How are we doing?  Feedback is encouraged.

Offline

#14 2013-07-23 08:50:16

DebianJoe
#! Code Whisperer
From: The Bleeding Edge
Registered: 2013-03-13
Posts: 1,207
Website

Re: Why tty?

LOL, I missed that Wux had linked to my thread.  In all sincerity a tty no-X build made me seriously question if X-server is really the best way to get stuff done.  It's pretty, but cli applications are generally perfectly created with the "do one thing and do it well" mentality.  Realizing that when someone writes a tool, they can focus on how well it works rather than if it supports gtk-3 allows a greater degree of flexibility.  It takes some time to adjust to, but it's liberating to realize just how much control you can have at command line.

Last edited by DebianJoe (2013-07-23 08:50:53)

Offline

#15 2013-07-23 10:44:30

wuxmedia
wookiee madclaw
From: Back in Blighty
Registered: 2012-03-09
Posts: 1,472
Website

Re: Why tty?

^ you missed the 'hardcore user' bit.... roll

one thing about the crunchbang tty, you'll probably have to install gpm (mouse ) and tmux (as explained in Joe's thread) it is possible, to have the mouse control your window sizes, that blew me away. imagine terminator on a tty. way cool

Offline

#16 2013-07-23 12:44:29

hinto
#! Windbag
From: Cary, NC
Registered: 2010-12-08
Posts: 1,418

Re: Why tty?

If X locks up you can bring up a tty and do a graceful shutdown (or reboot)
-Hinto


"Sometimes I wish I hadn't taken the red pill" -Me

Offline

#17 2013-07-23 12:55:48

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 12,690

Re: Why tty?

@Joe:  I've been spending a lot of time in gschem and pcb lately; know of any good no-X alternatives? tongue  (Obviously, CAD applications like these are, by definition, graphics-intensive, even if the files they work with are plaintext.)


I'm a moderator here.  How are we doing?  Feedback is encouraged.

Offline

#18 2013-07-23 13:12:49

DebianJoe
#! Code Whisperer
From: The Bleeding Edge
Registered: 2013-03-13
Posts: 1,207
Website

Re: Why tty?

You can output ray traces from gschem through framebuffer...

Edit:  Give me a while, I may take this on as a project.

Last edited by DebianJoe (2013-07-23 13:15:22)

Offline

#19 2013-07-23 14:56:13

GekkoP
#! Junkie
From: Vicenza (Italy)
Registered: 2013-06-17
Posts: 297
Website

Re: Why tty?

I use (I need) one tty to study Python: tmux+emacs+output fullscreen is my choice to avoid distractions. I don't use the other ttys, yet.

Last edited by GekkoP (2013-07-23 14:56:34)

Offline

#20 2013-07-23 17:16:16

samdraz
#! CrunchBanger
From: Earth
Registered: 2013-03-10
Posts: 228
Website

Re: Why tty?

i just discovered yikes  there are severl ttys

Offline

#21 2013-07-23 19:31:04

wuxmedia
wookiee madclaw
From: Back in Blighty
Registered: 2012-03-09
Posts: 1,472
Website

Re: Why tty?

@ sage, have a go with this for pcb's; http://ditaa.sourceforge.net/
in the repos  wink

the raytracer i used as a kid was, as you say, nothing more than a plain text world description.

Offline

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB

Copyright © 2012 CrunchBang Linux.
Proudly powered by Debian. Hosted by Linode.
Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.

Debian Logo