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#1 2013-03-17 23:05:16

nicu.natra
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Registered: 2013-03-17
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[SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

Hello,
I just installed #! on my machine (asus notebook - intel i3 ivy 1.7, 4gb ) and i really like this distribution. (migrated from ubuntu+cinnamon)
I have a hybrid hdd, with a 22gb ssd. I just made 2 partitions from this ssd (1gb swap, the rest ext4, mount point in /).
I've heard that openbox is the most stable desktop enviroement but  it doesn't seem for me at the first sight.
First time i experienced a total freeze (nothing works: ctrl+alt+del, ctrl+alt+backspace, ctrl+alt+f1 ->f6) was in less than 10 minutes after the installation was done (the exact moment: double click on a .txt file from thunar). Next time i was downloading netbeans in chrome - the same problem: complete freeze.
Any ideea why i experience this behavior?
Should I make some mem. tests?
Please give me some suggestions. I really like this distribution but I cannot use it like this.  tongue

Last edited by nicu.natra (2013-03-20 13:33:16)

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#2 2013-03-18 08:43:02

fatmac
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

Not sure why you are having Openbox problems, could be your graphics card.

What I would like to point out is the use of swap on an SSD is not recommended, too many write cycles, best put it on an ordinary HDD, or not use any if you have over 1gb ram. Also 'noatime' is recommended as an option in /etc/fstab.


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#3 2013-03-18 08:58:39

xaos52
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Registered: 2011-06-24
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

I would suggest giving Waldorf a try. It is based on the testing repo but quite stable already.
Statler is still nice for older hardware.

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#4 2013-03-18 09:10:30

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

My graphic card is an intel integrated (so there shouldn't be any nvidia-like driver problems ).
I will try remove the swap space since it is probably not used at all. (In ubuntu i usually set the swappiness to 1)

@xaos52: Version 11 (waldorf) is the one that i'm currently using - sorry for not pointing that out when i started my post

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#5 2013-03-18 09:30:34

xaos52
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Registered: 2011-06-24
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

You posted in 'Stable' - hence the confusion.  smile

Desktop freeze or system freeze?
Can, you switch to vc when it happens?
Does the numlock indicator go on/off when you press the NumLock key?

Sounds like system freeze from your first post.
Anything suspicious in dmesg, /var/log/syslog

Last edited by xaos52 (2013-03-18 09:33:00)

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#6 2013-03-18 09:36:01

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

It's a system freeze (caps, num do not work).
When something like this happened in cinnamon , ctrl+alt+f3 would provide me a console from which i was able to reboot the system.
No key combinations works when the system freezes here.

P.S. Sorry for not posting in the appropriate section. smile
Should i notify the admin to move it or I can do this by myself?

Last edited by nicu.natra (2013-03-18 09:57:36)

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#7 2013-03-18 10:07:00

xaos52
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Registered: 2011-06-24
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

Only admins can move threads.

Post output of

lspci -knn

please.

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#8 2013-03-18 10:12:25

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

I can only do this in about 7 hours starting from this moment (since I cannot reach my laptop running #! right now).

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#9 2013-03-18 10:31:20

xaos52
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

OK - no problem.
Have a nice day.

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#10 2013-03-18 12:42:00

ew
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Registered: 2012-09-27
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

I`ve had the same issues with Waldorf on kernel 3.2.0.3 and 3.2.0.4. You may troubleshoot, but if you don`t get it to work, then install Waldorf and upgrade the kernel to anything within the 3.5-3.6 kernels, but DO NOT install the latest 3.7-3.8 kernels. They cause other issues.

Here you have a thread about this issue, and as you will see, it`s still a issue with Waldorf on default kernels.
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=275015

If you read the complete thread you`ll find that a 3.6 kernel solves it...., like it did for me. Add the siduction base repo to your sources, install the siduction keyring, and then "sudo apt-cache search linux-image". It will let you choose from a lot of kernels. Pick one between 3.5.4 and 3.6.10, because they work perfectly without causing any other issues. Remember to install the matching headers.

Also, openbox is very stable. This is kernel-related, and the same problems regardless GUI`s and WM`s.


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#11 2013-03-18 12:45:36

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

Thank you.
I will try to upgrade the kernel (I never did it before but shouldn't be that complicated ).
I will also post the results asap.

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#12 2013-03-19 09:10:16

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

I updated the kernel to 3.5 version and it seems to be fine so far.
I'll mark this as solved if i don't experience any other crashes in the following days.
Thanks for your help.

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#13 2013-03-19 22:05:16

ew
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

nicu.natra wrote:

I updated the kernel to 3.5 version and it seems to be fine so far.
I'll mark this as solved if i don't experience any other crashes in the following days.
Thanks for your help.

Happy you got it working. I`ve tried most kernels between 3.4.5 and 3.6.10, and they all fix that issue, but as I said, if you go beyond that, then you get other issues. So if I were you, then I would avoid kernel 3.7 and newer. I`m on 3.8.3 myself, and are handling the new issues, but it`s no need for everyone to try this. Rumour tells me that the new issues I get with 3.7 and 3.8 kernels, will be solved in kernel 3.9.1, so I`m updating to every new kernel, in anticipation of kernel 3.9.1. If and when the new issues caused by KMS is solved without editing kernel-parameters, then I`m going to be so happy that you all will hear about it:)

But now I`m going to try a Alpha-release of the new LinuxLex-OS. Just bought a stack of dvd`s today, so now I`m burning the iso. I don`t know why, but I`m very exited about this release. Probably because I expect it to be very polished. At least visually:)


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#14 2013-03-20 07:52:36

nicu.natra
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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

If anything goes wrong i'll update to 3.6 but I'm happy so far smile

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#15 2013-03-20 13:32:20

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Re: [SOLVED] Troubleshooting - desktop freezes

You can mark your thread as [solved] by editing your first post in the thread and changing the subject line. wink


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