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#1 2012-12-13 23:51:32

dura
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What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

When somebody new arrives they often get welcomed with the old adage of 'Welcome Aboard', or something similar. I've looked back through the forum posts quite a while back, and it just keeps on being said. People from way back say it, new guys do too. Some people mix it up- "Welcome aboard, thanks for flying #!", all sorts. For some reason, some people seem to think we are a ship, or a plane, or something. It's a saying, I get that. Are we? It definitely feels like there is a lot of movement and change in the forums. The modernist idea of moving forward, progression, and all that relates well, if not the discourse of technology, but also to the feeling of learning, and being in the forums. Others pose us as a gang of sorts, a motley crue- "We are glad to have you!". This feels like a reference to a game of sorts, when I arrived, probably unknowledgeably, I thought it might be a reference to WWOW or something. But what are we? Perhaps we don't have to define ourselves. Perhaps that would be wrong to say what we are, to call time on the feeling of movement and change. It just seems that we are not a ship. Or a boat. Or a plane. I guess this thread is pretty closely related to 'Why do you Use Crunchbang?', or a similar asking into the experience of becoming member, and using #!.

So how do we define this "space"? How do we relate to each other? Are we The Smurfs? Is papa nominal our leader? Are we a bunch of smelly hippies? Is there nothing to us? Is it even a community? Are we just instruments at each others' disposal? Is the forum just here because it helps us work with our systems? What are we? Please, try and tell me, the existential angst is killing me!

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#2 2012-12-14 00:02:11

wuxmedia
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

wow.
it just kinda is

BTW i didn't do anything to your subsonic server, even though it might appear, immediately after i logged on and listen to a track, to  be my fault that it shutdown...

and at the very high risk of sounding spacky this is a bbs 'a board' so welcome 'on board'
Mr #!Dev himself quite likes talking like a pirate.

you sound like my bro-in-law. he thinks very deeply too

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#3 2012-12-14 00:02:52

pidsley
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

In my opinion, "we" are an "aggregate." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aggregate

1. formed by the conjunction or collection of particulars into a whole mass or sum; total; combined: the aggregate amount of indebtedness.
4. a sum, mass, or assemblage of particulars; a total or gross amount: the aggregate of all past experience.
6. any of various loose, particulate materials, as sand, gravel, or pebbles, added to a cementing agent to make concrete, plaster, etc.

This definition doesn't really apply: "5. a cluster of soil granules not larger than a small crumb. " :-)

Short answer: We're just a bunch of nerds, all assembled in one place (but not necessarily at one time) with a common interest in Linux, and in helping each other. Some of us don't run #!, so that's not really the answer.

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#4 2012-12-14 00:04:00

el_koraco
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

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#5 2012-12-14 00:10:26

wuxmedia
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^ damn - who sampled that bit, 'go find truth' hmm i think it was DJ Rubbish

I like 'aggregate'

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#6 2012-12-14 03:21:56

antiv0rtex
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Registered: 2012-10-05
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

We are, in my opinion and (limited) experience, a collection of extremely friendly and quite laid-back Linux enthusiasts united by our use of an absolutely brilliant distribution.

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#7 2012-12-14 03:43:52

VastOne
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

A collective of Knowledge, Experience and Giving Selflessly

KEGS

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#8 2012-12-14 06:32:10

pvsage
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

@dura:  Wow, what a uniquely ontological thread! smile

We're a pirate crew with a gang- or mob-like organizational structure.  You're not a full member until you completely bork your system and have to reinstall. monkey


Yes; as a matter of fact, I am a cop.  Why do you ask? cool
I'm a moderator here.  How are we doing?  Feedback is encouraged.

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#9 2012-12-14 06:48:38

VastOne
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^ That!  I like it pvsage...  tongue


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#10 2012-12-14 07:10:40

CaptainIndifferent
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^^Bork frequently, reinstall never. Just test stuff out in a VBox VM and take a snapshot before trying anything risky. Then if it all goes pear shaped you can just revert and try something else.  smile


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

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#11 2012-12-14 10:05:37

fatmac
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

We are a loose knit group of people cruising along in/on the internet with a self held belief that we should give as others have given to us, freely without charge.

The #! forum is one of many places that many of us 'give back to the community' in appreciation of the work others have put into FOSS so that we may use our computers without restrictions. I am not a programmer & therefore needed another way to contribute, so I try to help anyone that I can via forums such as these. It makes me feel better that I am not just a 'taker & user'.

So, what we are trying to convey to newcommers (to FOSS) is 'glad you found your way here, if you don't know, ask, & someone will try to help you'; no charge.


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#12 2012-12-14 17:18:40

dura
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

Perhaps, a becoming? If we're talking ontology pvsage. "Continuity without separation."

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#13 2012-12-14 19:30:04

intoCB
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

This is what we are:
tZ3AyNg


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#14 2012-12-14 21:27:52

lcafiero
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

wuxmedia wrote:

it just kinda is

I don' t think there's much more to it than this. We are.


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#15 2012-12-14 21:50:14

pvsage
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^ Are we?  I think we are, therefore we seem to be...


Yes; as a matter of fact, I am a cop.  Why do you ask? cool
I'm a moderator here.  How are we doing?  Feedback is encouraged.

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#16 2012-12-14 21:51:41

lcafiero
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

That's right, Mr. Descartes big_smile


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#17 2012-12-14 22:28:00

dura
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^Saying something is doesn't define what it is. We are...what?

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#18 2012-12-14 22:40:18

lcafiero
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

Well, let's talk about something that, looking back at the thread, I don't think we've addressed: The fact that the expression "Welcome aboard" once dealt with greeting people boarding a craft of some sort -- ship, airplane, spacecraft, etc. -- but now serves as a catch-all phrase for "We're glad you're here," regardless of what "here" might be.


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#19 2012-12-14 22:46:31

dura
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^This has been addressed already. "Welcome aboard" is, as said in the introduction, a saying of sorts. It is a welcome. But to what? This is not a ship. You may not be interested in defining the thingyness of the thing that is, and that's cool. But what is it that you are welcoming people to?

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#20 2012-12-14 22:57:01

lcafiero
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

dura wrote:

But what is it that you are welcoming people to?

Well, personally, I would answer your question with a question -- two actually -- like "Does it matter?" and "If so, why?" But frankly I don't really care -- it's not as important to stick a term on what we are as it is to do what we do here in what I would consider "the CrunchBang community." But you can call it whatever you like.


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#21 2012-12-14 23:30:11

dura
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Registered: 2012-09-15
Posts: 2,106

Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

The wise, welcoming, and curious response (you being a mod?) would be to either engage with things in a positive way, or just ignore them. Quite disappointed with your negativity to this really.

Is there anything more important than what things mean? (Its a rhetorical question- no need for you to answer).

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#22 2012-12-14 23:34:04

VastOne
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Registered: 2011-04-26
Posts: 10,163
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

^ What?  A mod cannot have an opinion?

Strange days indeed.

lcafiero, you and that damned ginsu knife of yours again... snicker snicker...


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#23 2012-12-14 23:43:42

dura
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

Of course, they can. That is exactly what the point of this thread was for- to get opinions, and experiences. It just seemed very negative, and aimed to close down the discussion rather than contribute in a positive way. He was off topic.

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#24 2012-12-14 23:47:29

VastOne
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Registered: 2011-04-26
Posts: 10,163
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Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

Wait wait wait... You start a thread in an Off Topic area, ask for opinions and then determine that someone can be off topic with an opinion?

I am thoroughly confused.  Nothing lcafiero said was remotely negative, I would look more at how you are perceiving what he said.

Cheers


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#25 2012-12-14 23:51:59

dura
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From: interzone
Registered: 2012-09-15
Posts: 2,106

Re: What Are We? A Ship, a Plane, a Bird, a Club, a Gang? The Smurfs?

I really don't want to argue about this. It was meant to be a fun thread.

lcafiero wrote:

"Does it matter?" and "If so, why?" But frankly I don't really care

This is very negative. Obviously. Every off topic thread still has a topic.

I'm not trying to determine what people can say. I'm defending the fact that I am interested in it- even if Larry thinks it is pointless.

Don't worry. I wont bother trying anymore.

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