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#51 2012-10-07 20:32:19

Kaokao
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Isn't CrunchBang 32-bit ‘SUB 100’ by default? On my boxes the Debian-based #!s have always used 85-90 MiB after booting a clean install. I was quite impressed by that out-of-the-box liteness smile

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#52 2012-10-07 21:58:02

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@Kaokao
I have typically had RAM usage values with recent Waldorf installs;

32bit @idle 150MB
64bit @idle 220MB

Hence the idea of a bit of tweaking...

It looks like you are already a member of the SUB 100 club cool

Just out of interest are you using Statler or Waldorf?

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#53 2012-10-08 06:19:32

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Crunchbang DWM

54MB @ idle

2012_10_08_081154_1920x1080_scrot.jpg

75MB running mpd+ncmpcpp

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#54 2012-10-08 06:22:17

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

^impressive smile

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#55 2012-10-08 20:59:42

Kaokao
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

I'm using Statler, but Waldorf wasn't much different I believe. Just rebooted my box to check, it used 81.8 MiB after boot. I did deactivate parcellite (clipboard manager), the volumeicon and bluetoothd, since I don't use these, but on the other hand I have the truecrypt service running as well as an ibus-daemon. Anyhow, on first bootup after installation the memory usage was likewise. It surprises me that this varies among computers, does this have to do with the hardware / drivers used? Edit: or with choices in the welcome script? That reminds me, I also have cups running.

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#56 2012-10-08 23:13:44

chameleon
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@Kaokao
The three apps you deactivated do make quite a difference to RAM usage.
My reference point is from a fresh Waldorf install with no cups and no server utils installed via cb-welome.

I am not sure about  the variations in RAM usage but I would think that choices in the cb-welcome script would make a difference to overall RAM usage...

rcconf;
http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux … ripts.html

EDIT: This thread is quite interesting pointing out an observed increase in RAM usage between Statler and Waldorf;

http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … queeze-oo/

Hmm...might have to give Statler another try on the SUB 100 club...

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#57 2012-10-09 01:34:56

porkpiehat
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

chameleon wrote:

Crunchbang DWM

54MB @ idle

75MB running mpd+ncmpcpp

You do realize that by now you've removed and modified so much that what you're running really isn't "Crunchbang" as much as it is "Debian"... I wonder how light you could make a Wheezy netinstall with just those apps you knew you wanted...

chameleon wrote:

EDIT: This thread is quite interesting pointing out an observed increase in RAM usage between Statler and Waldorf: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … queeze-oo/

That is interesting.

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#58 2012-10-09 03:08:49

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

You do realize that by now you've removed and modified so much that what you're running really isn't "Crunchbang" as much as it is "Debian"...

Maybe a Crunchbang Lite?

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#59 2012-10-13 12:01:42

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

here I am into the Club with my old Amilo running Waldorf 32bit...I have simply ditched the network manager and voilá..SUB 100 right after boot... cool
jbdttUn4YKaPXY.jpg

I also trying to do better than that replacing Slim with LightDM, but after reboot seems like it cannot start tint and conky (openbox and its autostart seems to start tough). Moreover I cannot launch my own program in ~/bin via CLI because they are just not found...for the rest Openbox menu and the logout/reboot scripts work fine...I have the feeling I am missing something trivial here.. hmm


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#60 2012-10-13 15:48:32

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Crunchified netinstall:
mem20121013.jpg
Tint2, conky, clipit and of course urxvt running, no NetworkManager, no cups.

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#61 2012-10-13 17:45:33

chameleon
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@VDP76
Congrats on your work...I will give your issues some thought...(Agh SLIM again sad)

@unfugr
Congrats again...I think we are settling at around the 70MB mark...but there again someone might prove me wrong??

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#62 2012-10-13 17:47:30

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

I want to join this club, but don't think I can. I run x64 and it has memory over 100 always. Also I don't really have that many ideas for cutting memory greatly. Ah well, I'm used to alienation, and, anyways, my x121e runs lovely smile

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#63 2012-10-13 18:08:51

chameleon
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@d!
Entirely up to you of course...
->A good tool for experimenting is rcconf;

http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux … ripts.html

This allows you to start/stop some services - hence reduce RAM usage.

->Try using some lightweight apps such as moc,mpd,ncmpcpp,pcmanfm,rox-filer,abiword etc...
->Try using an alternative WM such as DWM/WMFS etc...

You make a valid point that 64bit consumes more RAM -  ( +/-30% more RAM) @ idle.
Just for experimentation, on my test machine I switched to 32bit and observed this difference.
Of course, on modern machines this is probably academic...
But my Raspberry Pi arrived a few days ago and these experiments might prove useful on ARM architecture ??
Raspian,Pibang,Arch Arm etc...

Any questions please feel free to ask. wink

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#64 2012-10-13 18:17:47

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@chameleon:

Thanks for the tips. They will keep me busy, and opens a new space of memory reduction for me. Already have moc running, and try to keep things as unbloaty as possible by not running excess stuff.

Also been tempted with dwm, and i3 as well as other tile window managers. Making choices with them still really.

I have 2 raspberry pi's. Your work here will be invaluable I'm sure for your raspberry pi.

I'm away on a Scottish island this weekend, relaxing after a big cycle ride. But looking forwards to installing pi#! when I get back.

Would you recommend tile window manager for a small screen? I only really use browser, geany, abiword, and thunar (I spend most time using google drive for writing documents at the moment, because I'm finding abiword way to buggy to use it). Would you recommend tiled wm for such tasks?

Cheers!

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#65 2012-10-13 18:35:45

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@d!
Mrs.Chameleon is from Dundee cool

If you want to experience Tiling WM's 'EASILY' I would really recommend 'Livarp' - all set up and ready to roll.
Arpinux, the developer (who I keep in contact with) has promised some new releases after Debian Wheezy release early 2013.
However, the present 'Squeeze' based releases are just fantastic;

http://arpinux.org/x/doku.php/start:liv … arp_032_gb

Go on and burn a cd and give either the 'full' multi WM Live CD a try or maybe even a dedicated Live 'XS' version. (Note; all installable to hard drive as per Debian)
He has given a choice of;

"7 sessions available from live to install: dwm, echinuswm, evilwm, pekwm, wmfs, fluxbox and compiz stand-alone."

I have tested every one of them and they are seriously lightweight + excellent attention to detail wink
You might even find my name 'mentioned in dispatches' as a tester (mrneilypops aka neil)

Would you recommend tile window manager for a small screen? I only really use browser, geany, abiword, and thunar (I spend most time using google drive for writing documents at the moment, because I'm finding abiword way to buggy to use it). Would you recommend tiled wm for such tasks?

Answer = YES big_smile

PS: Enjoy your trip wink

Hope this helps...

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#66 2012-10-13 19:25:56

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@chameleon:

You are a dude. I will get onto tiled wm's when I get back. Arplinux looks like a useful introduction, and I like the #! exchanges.

It does seem that tiled wm's are very efficient on space (duh...)

Cheers smile

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#67 2012-10-14 02:57:05

katsh
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

would it be cheating if i don't have X?


regex.kat.sh --- regex library
u.kat.sh ---- url shortener
tabbit.org ---- tabbed pastebin

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#68 2012-10-14 05:29:18

chameleon
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@katsh
Why not?
What RAM do you consume without 'x' ?

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#69 2012-10-14 05:55:42

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

The interesting, I have to try "Livarp". Thanks for the info - Chameleon

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#70 2012-10-14 06:00:41

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

@d!
@darekPL
Here is another one definitely worth playing with .
Over at Linux BBQ check out their Oyster release with 40 (yes I did say 40) WMs to play with cool

http://linuxnoob.freeforums.org/roastin … -t291.html

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#71 2012-10-14 09:28:22

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Can you still use obmenu with other wm's?

Just turned on my x121e and ram was at 220 (tint2, clipit, cups, wifi, conky, openbox, x11)

Super fast machine. I don't think I'd get much from changing; I just like minimising resource consumption!

smile

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#72 2012-10-14 09:50:48

chameleon
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

^
I don't think you can use obmenu with other wm's.

There are other menu options such as;
dmenu (comes with DWM)
http://tools.suckless.org/dmenu/
gtkmymenu
https://sites.google.com/site/jvinla/mygtkmenu
compiz-deskmenu
http://www.compiz.org/
compiz-boxmenu
http://sourceforge.net/projects/compizboxmenu/

amongst others...I am sure you get the idea.

Have you had a look at rcconf to see what services are running?
http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux … l#more-205

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#73 2012-10-14 10:23:48

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Just inspecting rcconf now. Going to some Gaelic standing stones soon. Can't be banging all day, not on holiday! smile

Not really that keen on compiz. I don't know, but I feel its kinda bloaty and unneeded. I might use kupfer as a menu if I installed another wm. I expected obmenu to be compatible too.

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#74 2012-10-14 12:05:10

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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Hmm... just an idle thought, but: It is enormous fun to learn the things you encounter on the hunt for less memory usage (btw. about 50M out of X on my eeepc), but another way to gain satisfacion if ones machine is running smoothly with every function one wants but idles above a certain number is to remove the offending entry from conky. big_smile
If I remove parts from my car to make it lighter and go faster it might not be a good idea to throw out the comfy seats if I usually drive long distance for example...

For me it's not (only wink ) a thing about getting a low number to show but it's mainly about learning what I need my computer to do and what is done but at the moment with no sense to my personal needs.

PS.: Thank you, chameleon for these above links (livarp & bbq). For me it's another little shove towards something tiling... smile

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#75 2012-10-14 18:52:37

dura
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Re: Crunchbang SUB 100 club

Yeah, I don't care about memory usage for the sake of it. It is for learning and understanding what contributes that intrigues me. It's a grasping back of knowledge that has been appropriated and, err, commercialized. New forms of value emerge as this happens. smile

I'm all for less use of resources! That's what's nice about the raspberry pi philsophy; reduce to necessary, rather than bloat up to maximum feasible price.

smile

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