Is it time to drop the 700MiB CD Limit?

damo · 2012-06-27 21:15:02

rhowaldt wrote:

^ i was beginning to type something along the lines of how we always have trust in our fateful leader, only to realize i hadn't finished reading your sentence. still, it's true. we should start a religion.

Should that be "fateful" or "faithful"? Either one could be a bit creepy... hmm tongue

rhowaldt · 2012-06-27 21:18:10

fateful - Having far-reaching and typically disastrous consequences or implications.

it was probably a typo but i'm going for that one

pvsage · 2012-06-27 22:14:09

I prefer "benevolent despot", which (I think?) is what Hawkeye said about Sherman in an episode of M*A*S*H. cool

EDIT: It was Henry (back in Season 2), not Sherman.

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rhowaldt · 2012-06-28 15:39:02

just so it is clear that i was kidding: i was kidding. smile

benevolent despot is pretty good!

fredbird67 · 2012-07-10 21:10:05

Please, PLEASE, stay within the 700MB limit! While my main computer has 1GB of RAM, it can't boot from USB. Also, I have a spare computer which can't boot from USB either, plus while it has a DVD drive, I can't boot from that on it, either. But I can boot it up from a CD, and since that's the only way I can do so, I urge you to stick with the 700MB limit.

Personally, I'd stay within those limits unless you can no longer find blank CDs at Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, etc.

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machinebacon · 2012-07-10 22:17:49

In case anybody still reads this thread, Mother Debian has a similar problem: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2 … 00157.html

xz to the rescue.

broseph · 2012-07-12 14:36:28

USB stick is the only method I use. I've only had two distro's not work right with the dd method: Madbox and Bodhi Linux.

Knox · 2012-07-13 21:01:29

Awebb wrote:

How about a light crunchbang, like back in the day? 700mb "light" and all the good stuff 4,7GB max.

Yes, this is a great idea!

xovan · 2012-07-20 06:32:52

Just to throw a couple lincolns in as well I have had great success with using usb drives for installing linux but I find that it requires that the devs spend some times making sure that the way they implement such stuff on a disk image works great in the context of a live usb stick as well. I would recommend however that there still not be massive image file sizes because of simple bandwidth concerns. In addition most folks have a 2 or 4 GB stick not something all that massive but good enough for most uses. This means that the image size should probably be kept under 4GBs so that most people could use a very inexpensive stick to get their linux stuff going instead of needing to shell out $15-20 just to install a "free" OS. But again that isn't to me as important or as tangible a problem as the bandwidth concern. You need to account for the data being used. Torrents and the like would be a useful and helpful way to distribute the images but there should always be a direct download available somewhere for someone who is behind a firewall or proxy that disallows torrent/p2p traffic. Simply put unless you got one really nice ISP or server host the formula breaks down to 4.7GB/download * #! users + adjustments = lots of $$$

Thus my second suggestion other than keeping it under 4GB is that a netinstall image be provided on the off chance the person doesn't need no stinkin live usb but rather just an installer capable of downloading everything it doesn't have.

stavros · 2012-07-28 00:03:53

I don't know if is has been said. How about an 700 image with the basic operating system and all the applications be installable via script like libreoffice ?

rabidjoe · 2012-07-28 06:17:47

apm wrote:

kick down gimp in the startup script voila we gota 100mb to spare.

Quoting this as it's the best idea to keep it to CD size.... being a CD sized distro is one of the reasons I downloaded and tried #! out and now look it's my main OS

GamBit · 2012-07-28 08:27:05

rabidjoe wrote:

tried #! out and now look it's my main OS

Me too.. smile

vlahonick · 2012-07-30 23:58:51

Many ppl might using usb sticks to install #! but CD is the easy cheap solution for anyone without a stick available.
Almost everyone that will do a quick CD search in his home, probably will find one and less probable to find a DVD.

Anyway as others said creating 2 versions, a 700mb max limit light version and another "heavy" one with
tons of programs that will feet only in DVDs will create 2 major problems imo.

1) the #! maintenance will be much more difficult since u gonna have to work 2 versions and one with lots
of programs that might lots of them will need some kind of troubleshooting.

2) a big version wont fit in a usb stick so u are back to square one. u gonna have an extra version that could
be installed only from dvd, and ppl with usb stick will have to install the light one and then install their favorites
programs.

I think the key is to provide a version installable from everywhere but with lots of programs.

My solution to that is that u could offer to the users more "click to install" stuff, like libreoffice.

Just tweak openbox to have many click to install stuff (for example click to install deluge)
and also make a script or something that will clear openbox menu from the items the user
didnt install. So the user installed just by few clicking the programs he wanted to and then
by running the script clear the menu.xml by the items he didnt want to install. (if he didnt
want to install them i think he want like to see them appear in openbox's menu).

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pvsage · 2012-07-31 05:36:19

vlahonick wrote:

My solution to that is that u could offer to the users more "click to install" stuff, like libreoffice.

Sounds like a lot of us are on the same page here.

I see Philip's already figured out how to have an "Install {application suite}" in a pipe menu that is removed once that suite (e.g. LibreOffice) is installed. I know he's proud of the fact that the Live ISOs of CrunchBang still include The GIMP even afterr Ubuntu removed it from their Live ISOs, but it seems to me that this could be a candidate for similar treatment.

johnraff · 2012-08-06 17:13:50

This netinstall script's still pretty rough, but if it gets cleaned up it could take some of the heat out of the 700MB limit question by offering a way round that should work even for relatively new users.
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/248003/#p248003
Could also be customized to make a CrunchBang Light installer too.

ElQuia · 2012-08-09 22:08:12

cd = obsolete

use dvd images and/or usb

cd ONLY for teh 486 image for OLD machines that cant usb boot

roll

saneks · 2012-08-09 23:32:55

^ and especially for these crunchbang is a great distro.

pidsley · 2012-08-09 23:37:11

ElQuia wrote:

cd = obsolete

Actually, if you read this topic from the beginning, you will see that there are many users here who have machines that cannot boot from USB and don't have DVD drives. CD is far from obsolete for those people. This discussion is rather moot, however, because corenominal has made his decision.

I suggest this topic be closed.

machinebacon · 2012-08-10 06:02:41

lol Funny how people still discuss this 2 days after the release of 733/763MB images. If papanomnom doesn't drop GIMP or something else.... or move to xz as compression.

blasted · 2012-08-10 08:18:39

machinebacon wrote:

Funny how people still discuss this 2 days after the release of 733/763MB images. If papanomnom doesn't drop GIMP or something else.... or move to xz as compression.

not really funny, since this is testing version.

anyway old maschines can boot form USB you just need some boot manager (for example i use PLOP that i stuck on floppy disk on the old maschine). i also have 2 quite fast USB drives but my newish computer won't boot from them (despite having the BIOS option). again i use floppy disk to boot from USB.

i occasionally still use and burn a CD but lately in trying out i use virtualbox. i guess sometimes CD can be a good option.

machinebacon · 2012-08-10 09:45:58

not really funny, since this is testing version.

So how to test it from CD? wink

pidsley · 2012-08-10 10:35:18

blasted wrote:

hines can boot form USB you just need some boot manager (for example i use PLOP that i stuck on floppy disk on the old maschine). i

Some old machines do not have USB 2.0 ports, and some do not have floppy drives.

I still think this topic should be closed.

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VastOne · 2012-08-10 17:04:56

^ There are still valid and positive discussions here, and coremominal pointed to this thread in the latest RC announcement. We all know that corenominal can be persuaded to change anything.

A question I have is if the icons now being used are one factor that are pushing the limit over the 700 CD threshold. We all know how big icon packages are.

ElQuia · 2012-08-10 18:29:57

you cant have the same soft for an full blown 8 core with 16 gb ram, an turbo graphics card and raid 0 than for an old pentium 4 with 256 mb ram.
Beleive it or not, in some countries there ARE a LOT of old machines still in use.... I beleive that a amd64 #! for the "porshe" is in order and an 486 build for the "Ford T" also.... one could need a dvd image because of more soft included and/or more bells & whistles... the other should fit on a CD because of machine constraints (no dvd or usb boot) and the included soft should be meaner and leaner .... ;-)

Just my 10 cents guys.

Any Way I think Crunchbang is a real nice piece of work, simple, lean and mean. big_smile

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machinebacon · 2012-08-10 18:44:16

VastOne wrote:

A question I have is if the icons now being used are one factor that are pushing the limit over the 700 CD threshold. We all know how big icon packages are.

Nicely observed, Columbo! They surely do. IIRC we have 3 sets in the standard install. When I downloaded Faenza, I remember it weighed quite a lot.

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