Doing Something about the Wiki

machinebacon · 2012-06-08 00:16:35

^ God knows who wrote that list (totally useless IMO, crap like this should not be in a wiki, but we have to respect work of others as long as it is not obsolete or outdated)

wuxmedia · 2012-06-08 00:18:44

just to let you know thunar can't do it in waldorf... smile

machinebacon · 2012-06-08 00:24:12

In sid neither. It is planned for XFCE4.10.x, apparently.

pidsley · 2012-06-08 00:26:34

I don't think Thunar could ever do it, and since most #! users don't care about desktop icons it just got missed.

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pidsley · 2012-06-08 00:35:22

machinebacon wrote:

^ God knows who wrote that list (totally useless IMO, crap like this should not be in a wiki, but we have to respect work of others as long as it is not obsolete or outdated)

well, maybe... we're the ones who look stupid now; they're long gone...

wuxmedia · 2012-06-08 00:38:56

i did find the interrobang article interesting, for a bit, what‽

griffen76 · 2012-06-08 02:01:50

el_koraco wrote:

I'd leave the ssh, rtorrent and mutt tutorials in any case. Probably among the best on the web. We have the forum (dr Xaos mostly) for the rest of the stuff.

On the mutt I think I will create an account, if no one here has used mutt patched, it allows you to see folders on the side, not sure how the purists like it but I do smile

machinebacon · 2012-06-08 02:03:31

Keep 'em coming, Sir big_smile We wanna see how you like it

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griffen76 · 2012-06-08 02:13:57

@machinebacon
Not sure who it was, but would anyone be up for delving deeper into mutt; other than the basic setup? Yes that is me volunteering.

machinebacon · 2012-06-08 02:17:04

I think the dwm/awesome-centric folks would be interested in everything that can be run in terminal. Up to #!9.04 (good old days) there was (even) a "Crunchbang Lite" edition with terminal apps, and mutt was the default mail client, along with newsbeuter for RSS, MoC for music, and so on. That's why actually the mutt page was created those days smile

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johnraff · 2012-06-08 18:06:43

That Thunar/icons thing looks as if someone got confused over what was doing the job in xfce. It's xfdesktop. (Though I do remember hearing that Thunar might handle the desktop in the future.) That page seems to have been fixed now anyway, thanks pidsley!

pidsley · 2012-06-10 15:16:26

A minor change, but I can't edit the page for some reason:

In About Crunchbang Linux:

The forums contain many topics and posts, and as of Nov 2010, over 4000 members.

It would be nice to make this current:

The forums contain many topics and posts, and as of June 2012, almost 7500 members.

VastOne · 2012-06-10 15:21:38

^ Or something like

The forums contain many topics and posts, and an ever increasing amount of diverse members from across the web.

That way a change would net be needed again

pidsley · 2012-06-10 15:22:18

Theming topic has information about GDM, needs info on SLiM and the new slimconf tool corenominal is working on. I don't use SLiM or the conf tool, so I'm not really qualified to write the new info, but if no one else wants it I'll do a little research.

pidsley · 2012-06-10 15:36:44

configure urxvt topic uses .Xdefaults; this is now deprecated in favor of .Xresources. Any objection if I change the topic?

(edit, reading further This topic also includes a lot of information for version 9.04, which may now be incorrect, and information on tweaking font spacing that suggests downloading urxvt version 9.07 from the sid repo. Testing is now on 9.15, so I know this is incorrect. Also talks about xcompmgr as the compositor in #!...

This topic needs some extensive rewriting to be correct.

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johnraff · 2012-06-11 15:27:40

pidsley wrote:

configure urxvt topic uses .Xdefaults; this is now deprecated in favor of .Xresources. Any objection if I change the topic?

Just a second, is that now the definite word? Last time I looked, some people were saying .Xdefaults, some .Xresources. Since both work anyway, an additional reference to .Xresources rather than removing .Xdefaults might be more appropriate. It's always safer to add than delete.

(edit, reading further This topic also includes a lot of information for version 9.04, which may now be incorrect, and information on tweaking font spacing that suggests downloading urxvt version 9.07 from the sid repo. Testing is now on 9.15, so I know this is incorrect. Also talks about xcompmgr as the compositor in #!...
This topic needs some extensive rewriting to be correct.

As you say...

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johnraff · 2012-06-11 15:31:16

VastOne wrote:

^ Or something like
The forums contain many topics and posts, and an ever increasing amount of diverse members from across the web.
That way a change would net be needed again

Done

johnraff · 2012-06-11 15:35:48

machinebacon wrote:

^ God knows who wrote that list (totally useless IMO, crap like this should not be in a wiki, but we have to respect work of others as long as it is not obsolete or outdated)

Yes it's tricky, but as you say, we shouldn't take it upon ourselves to judge whether other peoples' work has the right to remain on the wiki, as long as it's not factually incorrect.

johnraff · 2012-06-11 15:45:51

pidsley wrote:

The only ones I see as obsolete (that have not yet been marked) are the applications lists from versions 8 and 9.

We scratched our heads a bit over those. The point is, as lists of apps that were in versions 8 and 9 the information in those pages is correct, just not very useful at the moment. (Compare with a page that might state "The default text editor is Gedit", which is plainly incorrect.) i think they should be put together with the release notes for those versions in some section for researchers and historians, rather than current users.

pidsley · 2012-06-11 15:56:36

johnraff wrote:

pidsley wrote:
configure urxvt topic uses .Xdefaults; this is now deprecated in favor of .Xresources. Any objection if I change the topic?
Just a second, is that now the definite word? Last time I looked, some people were saying .Xdefaults, some .Xresources. Since both work anyway, an additional reference to .Xresources rather than removing .Xdefaults might be more appropriate. It's always safer to add than delete.
(edit, reading further This topic also includes a lot of information for version 9.04, which may now be incorrect, and information on tweaking font spacing that suggests downloading urxvt version 9.07 from the sid repo. Testing is now on 9.15, so I know this is incorrect. Also talks about xcompmgr as the compositor in #!...
This topic needs some extensive rewriting to be correct.
As you say...

I've read in several places that "Xdefaults has been deprecated for years" but I can't find a definitive source. That's why I asked and didn't just edit. This topic needs more help than I can give it right now anyway.

I'll confine any editing I do to minor changes in wording and punctuation.

johnraff · 2012-06-13 18:08:57

pidsley wrote:

I've read in several places that "Xdefaults has been deprecated for years" but I can't find a definitive source. That's why I asked and didn't just edit.

It's messy. I searched the web a couple of years ago but couldn't find a definite answer, except that .Xdefaults was loaded every time you launched a new urxvt instance, so was easier for playing with settings. Just tried a google search on '.xdefaults vs .xresources' and it's clear that .xresources is newer, and maybe faster under some situations. otoh, urxvt might prefer .Xdefaults. There's a long-running thread here referring to .Xdefaults. Anyway, all I was saying was that in cases where we're not dealing with easily verified facts it might be safer to add the alternative info, rather than change what's there.

I'll confine any editing I do to minor changes in wording and punctuation.

No, pidsley, you're doing a great, much-appreciated job here. Do please make changes when something is clearly wrong.

Maybe we could all agree on some more guidelines for the Editors' Guide. At a pinch, "what would Wikipedia do?" might be a good question to keep in mind. smile

TitanMech · 2012-06-15 11:55:12

Hey crunchbangers.

A friend on facebook recently gave me this exciting link:
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tools … -and-outs/

I was thinking if we all adopted a style of writing solutions to problems and then wrote them using this "markdown" - they could easily be converted from whatever we wrote them in (geany, gedit, kate etc) to html so they could be simply copied and pasted into the wiki.

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machinebacon · 2012-06-15 14:39:55

Thanks Titan, the "problem" is that the Wiki already uses something very similar, so the texts in the wiki are formatted into a kind of markup big_smile

Example:

Headers in Markdown are

##### Header #####

and in the wiki they are

----- Header -----

and so on smile Basically the wiki editor is very similar to this message field here, and formatting is really easy and quick. Thanks anyway big_smile

TitanMech · 2012-06-15 14:46:19

No worries, i just read the link today and it just hit me if people documented their solutions to stuff, using this markdown, or the wiki markup, it would make things easier for the wiki maintainers to just paste stuff in.

machinebacon · 2012-06-15 15:01:05

Yeah, I totally understand- thanks for the consideration smile

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