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#1 2012-05-16 13:40:29

Gouwi
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Waldorf Live USB

HI all !

I would like to create a live - Persistent usb with the last iso image of Waldorf #() which can be also used to install #! on a computer.

I have a 4 Go usb key. There is 2 partition in it.

The first, "Live #!" is a Live / Persistent partition. (1.7XX Go)

The second, "Cache" is a partition where i stock some binaries and sources. Formated in FAT32. (2 Go)

I've tried to create the live partition firstly with UnetBootin, create the partition OKAY, boot OKAY, but at the beginning of the installation of the system on my new computer, the disc was not detected and the additionnal packages was not found.

So i tried with LiLi (On windows), and i get exactly the same problem than with UnetBootin.

And finally i tried with the console way : dd=if... of=... ; sync. I can install the system via the key, but i can't have any others partitions on my usb key and there is no persistent way.

Is anyone has successfull installed a Waldorf persistent Usb key ?

Greetings,

Gouwi

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#2 2012-05-16 13:43:36

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

There are two guides:
http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19276
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … rsistence/

If you use dd it will make the stick have only one partition, so that won't work.

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#3 2012-05-16 14:03:54

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Thank you for your quick answer, but :

Is good for installing a #! on a usb key but if you want to install #! FROM your usb to your computer ?

Can be good, but, as i've seen, you need an entire key to do that cause you have to install Grub on the key.


Last time, to create my Debian usb key i used dd with a .img file instead of an .iso and it work's fine.

Does anyone know the difference bettween a .img and a .iso file ?

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#4 2012-05-29 15:15:00

saneks
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

^ first guide doesnt work. won't boot at all when having grub on sdb. trying to install it to sdb1 like suggested in the guide give my an error.

the second guide does not work for me, beacause I cannot install grub. error is: grub-install: command not found

tried it from waldorf live usb

Last edited by saneks (2012-05-29 15:16:41)


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#5 2012-06-12 04:19:22

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

quick (maybe stupid) question.

If I would just install to an usb drive would that install work on any other hardware OR only on the hardware of the box I did the install with? I tried to create a walldorf  persistent and all the methods failed.

Installing in text mode and writing grub to the usb drive would be quite easy. BUT I would like to use the drive on many different computer and I can not find out if this is possible.
Does anybody know?

Thanks

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#6 2012-06-12 05:08:29

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

^ The most failsafe way to install to USB is to first disconnect any internal HD on the PS on which you are installing; otherwise, if you try to boot on another computer, GRUB may balk at not finding all the OS's that were present when you installed.


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#7 2012-06-12 05:12:33

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

I have a need at present to create one of these persistent usb setups. I'll have a go and write a howto if successful smile

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#8 2012-06-16 07:13:23

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

So I have installed walldorf on a 4gb usb stick and remove /etc/udev/rules.d/* before I use the stick on a different computer.
Till now I tested on 3 PC's and 2 notebooks and all work fine.

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#9 2012-06-16 09:13:55

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

If I disconnect all internal hds and install to usb, does it matter how I partition  the usb? The easy all in one, or should I go for different /home etc?


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#10 2012-06-16 15:25:36

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

I'd go with easy-all-in-one, since this won't constrain the size of either / or /home.


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#11 2012-06-16 16:05:06

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Good, one more question though, after install, at first boot, is it best to do a full update/upgrade or just run it as it is?


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#12 2012-06-17 01:19:37

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

^ My recommendation is not to run a full upgrade because of possibly available new kernels. You can run a normal upgrade and see what is going to be offered as upgrade, and pick those you like. We are talking persistent USB install here, right? By all means have enough free space available. If you run out of free space, you cannot even boot into the OS anymore.

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#13 2012-06-17 07:44:58

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

^Thanks, suspected as such. The intended usb stick for this is a 32gb one so space won`t be a problem this time. Anyway, have been thinking of installing Statler to it, not Waldorf, for the sake of stability. Waldorf is the cool one now...but
for this I trust Statler more, do not want to go through all this updating/upgrading every time I use it. And I will not use this stick everyday, so if I choose Waldorf there will be a lot of updates every time I use it.


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#14 2012-06-17 10:00:12

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

^ Sounds reasonable and absolutely logical. So you will use the "Install from USB/CD to another USB method"? Let us know how it's going smile

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#15 2012-06-17 19:40:12

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Cd burned and ready, will do install tomorrow or tuesday I hope smile

Last edited by vicshrike (2012-06-17 19:42:11)


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#16 2012-06-18 11:07:01

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Pulled the plug to my internal hds, started my desktop computer, and installed Statler 32 bit stable to my usb stick. Install went flawlessly as expected, I do have faith when it comes to #! big_smile Took my stick and inserted it in my old Asus laptop, and am now the proud owner of a persistent #! usb system. It is a little bit slower, but not much, less than expected really. Have run the cb welcome script, wireless and sound works, and am now here. This is perfect for #!ing/experimenting/trying out different things. If things really go #!, just reinstall to the usb stick again. And you can carry your much loved #! around with you, and do showoffs to friends, aunts and other disbelievers. Much cheaper than buying a new hd too smile Will add a couple of applications, and change a few things to see how it works. Will report back of eventual progress.

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#17 2012-06-18 11:16:16

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Genius. To which filesystem did you format the USB?

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#18 2012-06-18 11:32:38

vicshrike
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

The installer suggested Ext4, so I just rolled with that.


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#19 2012-06-18 11:44:16

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Did you consider disabling journaling? I am just asking, because of the read/write cycles that may decrease the life of the USB (or SSD)

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#20 2012-06-18 11:56:57

vicshrike
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

No, did not even think of it. Should I`ve hmm


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#21 2012-06-18 14:54:06

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Re: Waldorf Live USB

I'd at least set the mount options to noatime,relatime.  This reduces file "touches" which can slow down the OS.


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#22 2012-06-18 16:02:34

saneks
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

hm, tried exactly the same some weeks ago, but mine was slow as hell. also disabled journaling and formatted on ext4, then ext2. It felt much slower than a normal live system.


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#23 2012-06-18 20:04:40

vicshrike
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

For the moment it "feels" slow as a live system normally does. I will have to check this up though. Thanks for the input.


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#24 2012-06-18 21:02:02

saneks
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

I noticed lagging when you open several apps at the same time. also the webbrowser felt really slow, I guess because of delays when writing data  back to usb. small apps behave ok after starting.. maybe my stick was just too slow. what are the specs in read&write speeds?


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#25 2012-06-19 09:14:58

vicshrike
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Re: Waldorf Live USB

Did and got;

vicshrike@crunchbang:~$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda
[sudo] password for vicshrike: 

/dev/sda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  58 MB in  3.03 seconds =  19.16 MB/sec

The usb is a new San Disk Cruzer, 32GB.


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