Doing Something about the Wiki

ivanovnegro · 2012-05-24 18:20:21

johnraff wrote:

^hmm... an English-only policy (like the forums) would make things simpler. I wonder how many people use the other-language pages? Or just have a very short list of approved languages?

I use just English, also makes more sense to me in the computer world.

machinebacon · 2012-05-24 18:23:24

The Spanish section is really great, quite happy about it, though it takes more work. I think the urgency level is set low for all foreign language pages, nevertheless, I will set up a Chinese About page sometime next week. Its quite a respected distro over here in Linuxer's circles.

ivanovnegro · 2012-05-24 18:48:31

machinebacon wrote:

The Spanish section is really great, quite happy about it, ...

No problem, will do it, and all with time. wink

I will set up a Chinese About page sometime next week.

You have too much time. smile

wuxmedia · 2012-05-24 22:40:53

so lucky me, the french section has only a few pages -phew-
i changed them to [OK] is that ok? i mean, they read fine...
as you said the franco#! forums are there...
i changed a link. so hurrah for me.

johnraff · 2012-05-25 04:50:23

MB, that mostly made sense to me, except for a couple of small points:

machinebacon wrote:

I would like to suggest following structure as next 'big step'
1 - Having a main page that links to the areas (like Audio, Desktop, etc) rather than to links.

I'm not sure what you mean by "linking to an area". You mean link to the area's meta-page?

2 - Every area would have a meta page in which links to related OK pages are collected. These meta pages (Audio, Desktop, etc) are yet to be written. They can also already contain parts of information from "Z-obsolete/Z-redundant" if needed, by copy-pasting content or clever linking.

Here I have to reluclantly raise a hand - I don't think we should be linking to anything in the Z-obsolete/Z-redundant section. By definition, the data in Z-obsolete is wrong, and that in Z-redundant is already available somewhere else. Anything useful in those pages should be copied out and put in a regular wiki page.

4 - Z-redundant can be used as pool from which we copy pieces of information or link to it

Again, not link I'd say. These pages are potential candidates for deletion, or anyway, filing away in an archive somewhere in the future, and the links would get broken.

All your other comments sounded right. One point: the current front page's index is automatically generated. I don't think there's a way to auto-generate a sub-menu though. This is getting into technical details which could change when Phillip unrolls the new site, but with the current dokuwiki I think any sub-category's meta-page would have to be hand-written, and maintained to keep up with new additions. More work for someone... edit It might be doable with dokuwiki's namespaces. I'll have a play with this.
http://www.dokuwiki.org/namespaces
http://www.dokuwiki.org/index

Edit: Yes, the HOWTO pages are partly categorized (HOWTO DESKTOP, for example). I have not tagged them, this was their original title and I just changed the "HowTo" and "How to" to HOWTO, to have a uniform look. I think it is a good idea to link them to categories (HOWTO <CATEGORY>) - I will do this as next. Agree?

I wonder if there's any need for "HOWTO" at the front the title at all. Why not just put them in the relevant category along with other pages, and if the original title contains "howto", fair enough, but put the category tag before that, so the page sits in its category along with the others? (ie instead of "HOWTO DESKTOP How to add icons" make it "DESKTOP How to add icons".)

I'll have a quick look through the "main" pages - everything looks fine though - and make a start on the Z stuff, maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow, maybe Tuesday (away from the box every Sun & Mon).

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johnraff · 2012-05-25 04:56:37

@wuxmedia thanks for your help! smile

machinebacon · 2012-05-25 05:10:37

Yes, "area" is a meta page. I used the rong terminology, it should be like "Main Page" for the first page to look at, then the Categories page, and then the Topic pages. But you found out what I mean big_smile

Okay, your suggestions all makes sense.

- No linking to obsolete and redundant, only copying. (Actually I just wanted to protect a handful of pages, like the Cruncheee or Laptop installation pages which are obsolete and redundant, but excellently written)

- If somebody doesn't mind to have more work, he/she can establish and maintain Category pages until we have a new wiki system.

- Putting the category in front of the HOWTO. If a HOWTO doesn't fit a category a new category can be established if needed, for example a Howto named "Use Xev to find out which key is pressed" could be filed under "KEYBOARD" rather than "APPLICATIONS" - as xev is not directly accessible through the openbox menu, and because people would search for solutions for their "Keyboard" problems.

Wish you a good weekend. Your 'off' days are my 'on' days but I will sporadically categorize a handful of entries if I have time.

johnraff · 2012-05-25 05:34:34

machinebacon wrote:

- No linking to obsolete and redundant, only copying. (Actually I just wanted to protect a handful of pages, like the Cruncheee or Laptop installation pages which are obsolete and redundant, but excellently written)

Yes, those pages are a bit tricky. (Obsolete, but not redundant btw. Redundant means the same data is stored somewhere else.) Of course we could just dump them in Z-edit till we figure out what to do with them. tongue

machinebacon · 2012-05-25 10:26:45

I support dumping in Z-edit, depending on the article. It's hard to give a general statement now for those pages smile

Wish you a good weekend!

johnraff · 2012-05-25 17:02:35

Thank you. We seem due for some sunny weather. smile

machinebacon · 2012-05-25 19:00:34

Finished categorizing smile It really looks neat now. The next step is cleaning up the Z-edit and Z-obsolete section - if anybody can contribute, please edit the Z-edit pages at the bottom of the Wiki Main Page and make them conform for Debian.

Thanks in advance, wish you all a good day or night, Masters of the Wiki.

rhowaldt · 2012-05-26 09:30:21

ok, slowly looking through stuff here. got a matter i want to discuss: http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/firefox
because:
re-reading this, i think the Omnibar-addon is an oldie as well, as that stuff is now default in the new Firefox releases. all in all, i have a bit of doubt whether we should really keep this page. imo, it doesn't really add much info at all. would be better to just redirect people to the FF homepage where they can get all the info they want. also, it says it is the default browser in #!, but what if that changes the next release? you'd have to edit the page again. not very useful, i think.

edit: the same goes for VLC i think: http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/vlc

i'm thinking it might be better to just have a list of the default #! apps for each release, then add the info about its default keybinding to that page, plus a link to the app's own official website.

machinebacon · 2012-05-26 10:39:36

^ Good morning/day Roald!

I had slightly edited the real 'alternative' (as which it is in the repos and which is installed through pipe-menu) http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/iceweasel - feel free to delete the Firefox page. It is a duplicate, Firefox is no default or alternative in the repos, and not conform to Debian standards. in my opinion, Add-ons can be linked to the "Add-On" page of mozilla.org. Else we have to add 30 add-ons for 25 people big_smile

What needs a change in the VLC page? smile It was an existing page, the info is right. By the way, every wiki page can always be edited and extended - this is not a new policy for wikis. We wanted to sort out those which are not "fresh" or contain wrong info that can be edited to be useful in Debian (Z-edit), but not those which are too short, IIRC.

In short: if you feel that a page needs changes, simply do them. A wiki lives from the additions and edits other do to a page. You're free big_smile

Maybe we can do it like this:

1) Edit a page. Remove the Z-edit tag. The article will slip into its category then.
2) Simply post here like "I made changes to page XXXXXX - please check". Minimal changes (change of URL, change of single words, removal of dead links) do not need to be notified on the forums.
3) Whenever other users have time, they check. The article can 'pass' by default.
4) If others change the content, they keep the old info alive, just simply add new info. Minimal changes (wording, removal of dead links) do not need to be notified on the forums.

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machinebacon · 2012-05-26 13:25:35

I made changes to the Virtualbox Installation Guide (formerly Version 3, PUEL/OSE)

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/virtualbox

Thanks for checking and revising if needed smile

machinebacon · 2012-05-26 14:17:27

New page created:

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/p … management

Thanks for checking and revising if needed smile

rhowaldt · 2012-05-26 16:05:16

@bacon: your point about the z-edit etc is good, i think i just had to read the previous posts a bit better where this new system has been discussed.

the package-management entry looks great to me, very complete. only thing i thought might be good to include is some info on apt-pinning, or do we have that in a separate page already? with a link to Hardran's how-to of course..

(want to reply in more detail than this but seriously, i came home around 11.00 this morning because i didnt sleep at home, it is too darn hot to really think straight or do anything so this is as much as i can say right now... maybe more tonight, i'm wasted smile )

machinebacon · 2012-05-26 16:10:48

Yes, good point. I didn't "dare" to include pinning as it is not 'recommended' or a standard with Statler/Waldorf, but sure we should link the forums post (with No Warranty warning)

Relax well, have an ice cream and a smoke smile And then fall asleep in front of the TV big_smile

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machinebacon · 2012-05-27 15:25:08

Merged, edited and pushed:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/de/default_apps

Edited, extended and pushed:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/faq

Extended and pushed:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/vlc

Thanks for checking and revising if needed smile

Quick reference for the categories so far:

* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#a |ABOUT - For general information about Crunchbang
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#a |ADMIN - For tasks like package management /system administration
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#a |APPLICATIONS- Introducing the pre-installed appications
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#a |AUDIO - For topics about ALSA, Pulseaudio, Jack and OSS
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#d |DESKTOP - Everything about the "Holy Trinity" Openbox, Conky and Tint2
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#i |INSTALLATION - Guides that help install #! on USB, HDD or SSD
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#k |KEYBOARD - If the keyboard fails / mapping keys
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#l |LAPTOP - Guides specially written for laptop and netbook users
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#l |LOCALES - Multi-language installations, Asian language support and Input Methods
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#m |MOUSE - Mouse Settings and Tweaks
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#n |NETWORKING - Related to networking, Samba shares, SSH
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#s |SCREENSHOTS - Screenshots of older releases
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#v |VARIOUS - Tips & Tricks not only related to Crunchbang
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#w |WIKI-DE - Wiki pages in German
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#w |WIKI-ES - Wiki pages in Spanish
* http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/#w |...and Wiki stubs in other languages...

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machinebacon · 2012-05-28 10:50:01

Edited and extended

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/iceweasel

Removed the page about Firefox, as it is a duplicate and not a standard app (and not in the repos)

Thanks in advance for revising smile

rhowaldt · 2012-05-28 12:20:21

@mb: your edits look great, i highly approve of them smile

machinebacon · 2012-05-28 14:45:09

^ Thank you rhowaldt smile Next will be geany big_smile

Milozzy · 2012-05-28 14:48:06

Hey guys you are doing an amazing job, I definitely give up, I am not as expert as you and feel not comfortable in putting my hands were you are doing such a great job.
I will be here for translate once the editing will be finished.

machinebacon · 2012-05-28 17:06:08

Created geany

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/geany

Feel free to revise and correct, thanks in advance! smile

Milozzy · 2012-05-29 06:36:24

machinebacon wrote:

Created geany
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/geany
Feel free to revise and correct, thanks in advance!

Another great entry!

If I am not wrong, geany also remember the files that were open during the last session. This can be annoying for someone...Maybe is worth to add to your wiki that you can change this behaviour by unchecking "load files from last session" (I'm on my italian system, maybe the English translation is slightly different) under Edit -> Preferences -> General tab

Sorry for my poor English.

machinebacon · 2012-05-29 07:11:01

Ciao milozzy,

thank you for your comment, I have added the instruction smile

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