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rhowaldt · 2012-05-19 20:57:11

@johnraff: the semi-free situation is enviable indeed. i do think however that also in the Netherlands the policy needs to be changed. my whole point is this: if you're gonna have alcohol legal, do the same thing to the other stuff. i disagree with alcohol being sold in supermarkets, too, for example. i think each drug (yes, alcohol should also finally properly be called a drug) should have its own supplier, its own specialty store, just like you go to a bakery to buy a bread, etc.

but damn that's a whole other big discussion. come visit the Netherlands some time and let me know, and i'll be more than happy to smoke some with you smile

pvsage · 2012-05-19 21:53:09

^ "Don't get your bread where you get your meat", right?

Here in the US, we get just about everything - from food staples to alcohol & tobacco, magazines, clothes, sporting equipment, luggage, personal hygiene - from the same "box store". Just another convenience in the American lifestyle that's made so many of us overweight...

...OK, so my night's quite young right now, but I am a little tipsy...

Vansgo · 2012-05-19 22:27:45

it's 5' O'Clock somewhere right now lol

rhowaldt · 2012-05-20 06:51:59

@pvsage: we don't have them quite as big as you have in America, but we got supermarkets and some 'box stores' too. the reason i think this is a bad thing is two-fold: first, the quality of stuff you buy at such a store, when it comes to certain products (like clothing) will often not be as good as when you get it at a dedicated store. however, it will often be cheaper.
second, these big franchises/corporations work out the little shop-owner, which is a shame. it stops diversification and promotes globalism, ensures we'll all be using the same stuff all the time, and thus inhibits choice (and freedom).

when it comes to psychoactive substances (commonly called 'drugs'), i think the main reason you'll want to sell them at a dedicated store is because you can monitor your clientele. the guys at the liquor-store know exactly who the alcoholics are. there is 'social control' or whatever you might call that. also, lots of these substances are no easy matter. we've had mushrooms banned in the Netherlands recently (only 1 type, the other is still legally for sale), simply because there were some reports about people jumping off buildings while under the influence ('because they thought they could fly' and crap like that). however, the true reasons for those suicides etc are the fact that many tourists (it is always tourists!) stay here for a couple of days in this seemingly drug-walhalla and decide they need to try everything as quickly as possible at the same time. now, anyone who has ever done shrooms will know it is not a thing you do haphazardly. it has a severe impact on your mind that you'll need to be able to handle. these tourists don't think it over, just take the stuff and often combine it with our strong weed and add some liquor too and maybe buy some cocaine somewhere and take that as well. a recipe for disaster. disaster is then indeed what ensues.
the then-major of Amsterdam proposed a two-day waiting period: you buy your shrooms, but can only get them from the store two days later. that gives you time to think first of all, and also stops tourists who come here for a day from taking it just because they were drunk/stoned and got a wild idea in their head. they didn't listen to him. instead, they let an independent committee research the effects of psychedelic mushrooms on public health, the research came out to be 'no danger to public health', and then they decided to ban them anyway. a little prejudice goes a long way.

my point is: the problem is not with the drugs, it is with the education. people need to realize what these substances are, what they can do and why you should be careful with them. not that you shouldn't use them, but simply that you shouldn't go about it without seriously thinking about the possible consequences etc.
that kind of advice is exactly what you get when you buy shrooms here in the Netherlands. it is the kind of advice you can get in a dedicated store. you won't hear this from the 16-year-old cashier at your supermarket, because she hasn't got a clue.

well, i hope somebody read all that! i can keep going about this forever smile

mahatman2 · 2012-05-20 16:28:51

^ I read it all! I agree with all of it - I had never thought of the impact of big box stores on drug consumption, and you're right about it. Of course, in a perfect world everything would be more like Linux - "Do one thing and do it well" tongue

But that's too bad about the shrooms. Tourists suck about 99% of the time. I grew up in a tourist town - I think it's something to do with the fact that they're not in their own homeplace so they just think they can screw up everything else, or not care because it's not their problem. I travel too, of course, so I am also a tourist - but I try really hard not to be annoying. </rant>

Anyway yeah drugs are "big people" things, and like sex, would benefit more from honest discourse about them instead of an outright taboo.

(PS. Sorry I wasn't drunk for this post - I will be later to make up for it! big_smile )

pvsage · 2012-05-20 17:31:22

I think every tourist should be required to read The Ugly American (or watch the movie) and write a short paper on it before going on vacay. lol

Tobacco and alcohol are just two drugs that are only loosely regulated; there are quite a few drugs available OTC (caffeine, anyone?) that could benefit from tighter regulation.

What amuses me the most is states like NC (where I live) that allow the sale of beer and wine in supermarkets and convenience stores, but restrict "hard liquor" sales to state-owned Alcoholic Beverage Commission stores (sometimes called "package stores"). People can get just as pissed from beer as they can from whiskey... roll

gutterslob · 2012-05-20 17:50:01

^Isn't it the same for most places? At least most of the places I've been to. Same case for most 7-11's (and other 24/7 marts). They stock beer, wine-cooler, cider, etc but not stuff like undiluted whiskey, gin, vodka, etc.

I think it's down to the license. Beer and stuff is usually categorized under the typical Food & Beverage license or equivalent, while the "harder" stuff usually needs a proper Alcohol license or equivalent. F&B licenses are usually easier to obtain, and are probably cheaper as well.

I get what you're saying, though. People can decimate themselves with all sorts off-the-counter products. Cigs, beer, msg in chips, etc.

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pvsage · 2012-05-20 17:58:15

^ When I was living in California (stationed at the Presidio in SF, shortly before the second round of base closings under George the Elder) you could get "the hard stuff" in supermarkets. On the other hand, in the non-dry counties of Utah, you have to go to special stores just to get beer. But yeah, I suppose most of the rest of Amerika is like my backwards little backwater.

rhowaldt · 2012-05-20 18:00:44

we have hard liquor in a separate store here in the Netherlands too. i think it goes up to a certain alcohol percentage before it can be sold in supermarkets. so there is some regulation. but indeed, you don't need hard liquor to get wasted.

sano · 2012-05-20 18:28:22

Where I live there's almost no regulation for the sale of alcohol, neither in the country where I come from. Weed as well almost feels legal - below certain quantities you won't even get a fine.
But they just changed the way the law is executed, they never got around to actually change the law.

pvsage · 2012-05-20 19:13:23

@sano: Dude, where do you live, Oaksterdam?

sano · 2012-05-20 19:21:23

^ Spain. But the policy regarding weed (and increasingly other drugs as well) is more or less the same in Denmark, (parts of) Germany, Czech Republic...

pvsage · 2012-05-20 19:39:49

...and the part of Oakland whose cannabis policy resembles Amsterdam, thus the reference in my previous post. History or NatGeo actually has a documentary series on one of the head shops in that area.

rhowaldt · 2012-05-20 20:07:38

i hear Switzerland are pretty liberal with their drug-policies as well. and if i'm not mistaken, one of the biggest psychedelic-drug-conferences is being held in Switzerland.

johnraff · 2012-05-22 05:05:06

rhowaldt wrote:

@johnraff:come visit the Netherlands some time and let me know, and i'll be more than happy to smoke some with you

Sure, let's do it some day! (Don't know when though... maybe by then I'll be old enough to try some of them mushroom things too... tongue )

p120d16y · 2012-05-22 05:34:33

TitanMech wrote:

@rhowaldt
A quote from my favrioute film:
your like; a poet, dude!

I LOVE SLC PUNK!

p120d16y · 2012-05-22 05:39:37

TitanMech wrote:

@rhowaldt

A quote from my favorite film:

your like; a poet, dude!

I LOVE SLC PUNK!
I've seen it hundreds of times. Reminds me of my teens, but I didn't ever actually dress like a punk and die my hair or anything like that. But the pot and acid...... smile

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wuxmedia · 2012-05-22 21:54:32

well it's tuesday night, and like the beasties (sadly missing a cohort) smokinf and dringkin on a tuesday night. all my 'other babies' are busy downloding and instlling, and i thought i'd post one here, hear hear for making this thread...
PS just finished a bottle of Minervois 'le pas du templier' and hacking thought abottle of rubbsih Gamay...
rubbish day at wurk and busy forgetting it on our forums...
to get alittle on topic the guy on the other shift was busted for a few weed plants, instead of jail time, he got a pretty little trackng bracelt - a minor inconinience to me, (can't change shifts without a court order thing)
anyway i smoked and pschadeliced my way though most of my teens, don't think i could ever drop acid again, maybe some weed, thing is in the 'dam the weed is top notch blow ya socks off stuff. i remeber the ole day with pa smoking some 'bush weeed' some sort of ruderalis and having the time of my life.
just a smoke of nick o tine is enough to get me rushing..
dmn this keyboard is huge, but not as nice as the old schiool sissor action 108k ey monkeys i use normally.

laters

WuX

edit; oh btw i live in france, and they will get you for smoking/growing weed. 8(
the walls have eyes. too many retired wimmin peeking at the curtian, and we live in the sticks.
better in UK, remeber parking my car badly on a one way street and scoring and ounze cut into 1/4s (hard to plead my own use) and dealing with the rozzers half wankered with a 2-3 stretch sitting in my pocket... they had to follow me for a bit glasses ah those were the days

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rhowaldt · 2012-05-22 21:56:10

^ kudos for keeping the typos in there! have a good night wux! smile

wuxmedia · 2012-05-22 22:02:16

hey roald you are d'man i thank you for being there one time, a bootmng prob, really the answer is there but needs some encouragement to grow.
there you go how bout a virtual hug ***hugss**

wuxmedia · 2012-05-22 22:06:56

btw damn google ads;

Tunafish · 2012-05-22 22:18:24

wuxmedia wrote:

btw damn google ads;

big_smile

I really enjoyed the first really sunny summer day in NL this year.... had a swim (f***ing cold, but great) and spent hours on my balcony with a bottle of wine....

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wuxmedia · 2012-05-22 22:55:04

~^ yah it was sunny here 2day also, 23o inside the factory.. havent had swim yet, atlantic (nearly) more the englssh channel - hope to dive in on the weekend. nice balcony action.
we have a terrace....err patio? need to have another mini rollie whilst i hear the wind turbines swish in the summer(ish) night -
btw look for 'stellarium' in the repos great star gazeing prog

hhh · 2012-05-23 01:01:47

Pretty buzzed now. I'm thinking that when Roald gets drunk, he starts capitalizing.

AwesomeFist · 2012-05-23 02:19:37

wuxmedia wrote:

btw damn google ads;

How? I thought if you stopped drinking you would die, because your brain wouldn't have enough fluids to fuel itself!

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