Gun Hobby Thread

memilanuk · 2012-03-23 19:28:39

Ugh. Spent 4-5 hours yesterday, 2 hours already today (several more to go) and all day Saturday/Sunday helping with this event. Should be tons of fun... getting to heckle the shooters is *almost* as much fun as being one...

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sqlpython · 2012-03-23 19:33:07

I find this an interesting thread. A welcomed departure from my usual Geek readings..
I have been following and just wanted to hang some experience and self defense philosophy out there..
Regarding a Carry Pistol/Blade for Self Defense..
Just to give some minor credence to my post..
Over 60 and still alive...and w/o confrontations of record.. (that says volumes)
A gun owner and Hunter most of my life but gave it up probably about 10 years ago..
Formally avid Competition Remington Skeet Team member for many years..
Martial Arts Practioner and Blk Belt Instructor to Law Enforcement for Decades..
All the above is not that important except to say that I am not talking from just perception..

The idea that a carry is going save your/ or your family's life is almost as remote as taking a trip to the moon.
While possible.. impractical..
In countless training sessions over many decades the win goes to the guy with the Edge..
The Edge = PATPOC (position at the point of confrontation.)

The winner can have open hand and the loser can have a Howitzer .. the winner will have PATPOC...

In the US we love our weapons and that feeling of security (while false)..
I just love to roll out the over all statistics for say Britain vs say the US regarding gun ownership and murders or attacks..
Never seen one yet to favor the US.. ???
And I am an appreciator of the firearm..
Just sayin'

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 19:37:03

Oops, nope missed this ...

@CBizgreat, if I pull a pistol on someone, they are already shot, I'm not pulling it to flash it around, so prepare to see said gun for a split second before getting blasted in the chest. No warnings, no waving it for show. That isn't it's purpose.

There are an endless number or variables, again, I don't spend much time anymore bothering to think on the subject though. Am glad you are prepared, more importantly gearing yaself up to be prepared to use that tool you've got. Too much crap, mostly negative and borderline schizo junk to cover. But for random discussion, it's also not that simple. There are friggin camera's everywhere nowadays, the law scumbags that pass for civil servants, prosecutors ... judges etc. Are HORRIBLE, EVIL ... for real, craptastic <insert much profanity and ranting here.>

In other words ya better be dang sure, if you just whip out a pistol and blast someone depending on jurisdiction, circumstance blahblahblah, can very likely = YOU'RE IN TROUBLE MISTER ! Even helps to think beforehand what you're going to say, if HOPEFULLY/VERY LIKELY never happens event does befall. Some answers will get you in DEEP legal waters dude. That's bottomline reality. Proper answers include thusly ... I just reacted, didn't mean to kill person, I thought was going to die, they were going to kill me ( and you dang well should be able to answer that last one honestly, if ya gun someone down obviously imo.) Lol ... not so much because I give the slightest crap about any particular lowlifes life. Do tend to care about poss long term incarceration at the hands of govt filth. < insert more ranting here, lol.>

Mentioned in other babbling post to this thread, dang it ... so much makes absolutely no sense in this world. Sighs blahblah.

Viva la gnu/Linux still does though ! Ha ! Kickbutt software for free ? Yes please. wink

PS, Oops again ! Also missed sqlpython, interesting post there too. Makes sense to me or could, again when comes to guns ... Really think it is an over sensationalized/glorified topic here in the states. Though still think US people are doing dang great. This number of people, with this many firearms ready to hand. It's amazing how few people are getting shot. Also ... as mentioned before, often the wrong dang people !!! Arghhhh.

lol
V

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mrpeachy · 2012-03-23 19:42:05

CBizgreat! wrote:

Are HORRIBLE, EVIL ... for real, craptastic <insert much profanity and ranting here.>

i think [[Barry Man*low]] would work here smile

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 19:46:12

^ I'm not detached and weird. I live in a city of weirdos, Las Vegas, and I'm an IT professional so I'm not a shut in by any means, I'm always on the go and social. And all of us carry guns, my supervisor, manager, the women here too! This is the cowboy state bro. The 60 year old women here go shooting with us dude. It's not something to be scared of, I think you may be scared that talking about guns is bad or something. I was raised with guns, they don't scare me. They shouldn't scare people. I could be stabbed by a fork right now, should I be scared of forks. Anywho. I started a gun thread so that's why I keeps talkin bout guns.

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 20:04:52

^ Wasn't pointing fingers,

Just saying, it's mentally unhealthy imo when people spend much time thinking about having to shoot people. Extremely unlikely to ever be necessary, See nothing wrong with you being armed, it's your right and coworkers right. I don't know, as mentioned whenever discussion starts going to firearms in civilian combat, govt and 2nd amend blahblahblah. Pushes my paranoia buttons, which of course is just me, as usual over-caffeinated too. tongue

Guess tend to get serious minded about the subject. Nothing wrong with guns, gun rhymes with fun and they definitely are imo. But in my mind, guns are a tool to kill people obviously. So turns me brain into serious territory. Not that think it's all that serious a subject. In that vein, be careful whatcha even say in threads and around the net like this, 21st century and tech can come back to haunt a person in the hands of craptastic, gestapo, scum suckers from hades. Can realistically be used to establish a guilty mindset and murderous intent nowadays. Not that matters anyway, about the only time you're likely to have to shoot some psycho thug, is if ya get a job in hollywood or summin. wink

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 20:25:07

Well to set things straight.

I started this thread as a "Gun Hobby thread"

for some reason people always turn guns into and only associate them with shooting people. It always turns to that discussion because people are scared of firearms, point blank. I'm not trying to talk about shooting anyone. I just shot 400 rounds of ammunition recently, all at bottles and computers, etc.

Why does it keep getting brought up, this shooting people?
I say I want to get a .22 and the first thing said is that that wont stop somebody.
Correct response would then be its for target shooting.

Discussion keeps turning to defense situations, I don't honestly know why, but if that's a problem, let's not derail to that, and keep it to target shooting, which is what I do.

p120d16y · 2012-03-23 20:29:58

CBizgreat! wrote:

^ Wasn't pointing fingers,
Just saying, it's mentally unhealthy imo when people spend much time thinking about having to shoot people. Extremely unlikely to ever be necessary, See nothing wrong with you being armed, it's your right and coworkers right. I don't know, as mentioned whenever discussion starts going to firearms in civilian combat, govt and 2nd amend blahblahblah. Pushes my paranoia buttons, which of course is just me, as usual over-caffeinated too.
Guess tend to get serious minded about the subject. Nothing wrong with guns, gun rhymes with fun and they definitely are imo. But in my mind, guns are a tool to kill people obviously. So turns me brain into serious territory. Not that think it's all that serious a subject. In that vein, be careful whatcha even say in threads and around the net like this, 21st century and tech can come back to haunt a person in the hands of craptastic, gestapo, scum suckers from hades. Can realistically be used to establish a guilty mindset and murderous intent nowadays. Not that matters anyway, about the only time you're likely to have to shoot some psycho thug, is if ya get a job in hollywood or summin.

I'm not going to be rude, but only completely honest here. What you keep saying is not really making any sense.

having to defend yourself is real in this world.

It's apparent you are scared of and never use firearms. That's ok. You get paranoid because a gun scares you. It shouldn't.

The reason we have the 2nd amendment is to defend ourselves against our government or to readily gather a militia.

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 21:09:27

LMAO ... am scared of guns eh. How you could've read through the stuff I'd posted here and draw that conclusion ... is beyond me. Am not going to be rude either, as there's no reason to be, you like guns ... great and think it's fairly natural for the topic of shooting people to come up in a discussion about firearms, as that is the primary purpose for em ... above all else.

Typed several times, nothing wrong with choosing to be prepared. Possibly defending yourself w a gun, as have said and others have said no doubt could be real life, is also about as likely as you winning powerball. Sheesh a good percentage of the gestapo ... errr I mean police, never actually have to fire their service weapon in line of duty far as I know. Though nowadays seems like majority of them are itching for any reason to, shrugs.

Anyway ... ok, done. DON'T SHOOT DANG IT !!! wink

vll !

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sqlpython · 2012-03-23 21:25:01

Apologies to p120d16y
I should not have posted my second post an if you wish I will delete it...!!
This has been a great Hobby thread..talkin' tech about carries..

As a long time Gun affection ado who has reached this senior point in life, I am hard shelled enough to discuss the down side of guns in stride. However, I do tend to forget it is a political / life style issue for many...( and that is OK)

You know p120d16y we don't have to justify Gun ownership, so don't. You bought and own for healthy reasons, the end.

I was just setting on the table that the self defense aspect in today's society is somewhat unrealistic. So many of us attempt to use that particular defense as a reason to own a gun.. Like you said "Stabbed with a Fork"..
or that Propane tank underneath your Blazing Propane Grill.. Life is beset by risks.
And it is Probably unhealthy to discuss/think (at least too frequently) about shooting people..as pointed out by .. CBizGreat

This number of people, with this many firearms ready to hand. It's amazing how few people are getting shot.

Interesting Stat... Yeah, I can see that...

So, again apologies..:(
and back to the Techno stuff.. smile

One of my Favorites handguns is this one...the compact .45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTLP8obW4Ds

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 23:11:20

CBizgreat! wrote:

LMAO ... am scared of guns eh. How you could've read through the stuff I'd posted here and draw that conclusion ... is beyond me. Am not going to be rude either, as there's no reason to be, you like guns ... great and think it's fairly natural for the topic of shooting people to come up in a discussion about firearms, as that is the primary purpose for em ... above all else.
Typed several times, nothing wrong with choosing to be prepared. Possibly defending yourself w a gun, as have said and others have said no doubt could be real life, is also about as likely as you winning powerball. Sheesh a good percentage of the gestapo ... errr I mean police, never actually have to fire their service weapon in line of duty far as I know. Though nowadays seems like majority of them are itching for any reason to, shrugs.
Anyway ... ok, done. DON'T SHOOT DANG IT !!!

Sorry, I just thought you were jumping all around with your topics and it was jumbling up your points.

We're just talking about different cities I suppose, which may be like different worlds. I used to live in the country where you would never need to defend yourself really.
Living in Las Vegas...it is insane here.
Places are robbed every day, gang crime, muggings, etc. So what I was trying to get across is that yes, people do have to use protection quite frequently here. It must not be like where you live. It is why I carry, I could potentially go out and be stabbed for real by a homeless man, or if I was in the north side of the city, it's gang territory and simply, I'm white. It's not friendly here on the street. That is reality.

Someone does basically die near me in some fashion daily, whether I hear about it or not. There are rarely any shootings, but murder is still up there.

You kind of seem to make it into a situation that it is a fantasy that someone would need to use a weapon in real life.
Well, TWO BLOCKS away from me just the day before yesterday, a man acting very strange was trying to break into a house and he was shot in the back yard. The homeowner got his gun just before the man got in the back door, or however he was trying to get in, this yard was fenced, and shot the guy while he was still in the back yard. It was self defense and the homeowner was in the right, not many questions asked. That just happened, essentially right next door to me. So there you go, next week it could be my house. Or yours. You don't know these things. It can happen to anyone.

Oh, and the police here? They will shoot you on the spot for even talking back to them. Look up Las Vegas police shootings. Their moto is shoot first, shoot again a few times, then ask the deceased questions later.
I can positively say this city doesn't run like most.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 23:22:00

sqlpython wrote:

I find this an interesting thread. A welcomed departure from my usual Geek readings..
I have been following and just wanted to hang some experience and self defense philosophy out there..
Regarding a Carry Pistol/Blade for Self Defense..
Just to give some minor credence to my post..
Over 60 and still alive...and w/o confrontations of record.. (that says volumes)
A gun owner and Hunter most of my life but gave it up probably about 10 years ago..
Formally avid Competition Remington Skeet Team member for many years..
Martial Arts Practioner and Blk Belt Instructor to Law Enforcement for Decades..
All the above is not that important except to say that I am not talking from just perception..
The idea that a carry is going save your/ or your family's life is almost as remote as taking a trip to the moon.
While possible.. impractical..
In countless training sessions over many decades the win goes to the guy with the Edge..
The Edge = PATPOC (position at the point of confrontation.)

The winner can have open hand and the loser can have a Howitzer .. the winner will have PATPOC...
In the US we love our weapons and that feeling of security (while false)..
I just love to roll out the over all statistics for say Britain vs say the US regarding gun ownership and murders or attacks..
Never seen one yet to favor the US.. ???
And I am an appreciator of the firearm..
Just sayin'

I'll take my odds of being able to quickly respond to a situation. There are too many to name.

@ SQL, yeah... I don't know why I even started trying to justify! I feel stupid for it, it brings on this age old arguement and I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I apologize. From here on out I will stay on topic, post guns I want/have, target shooting and hobby stuff.

I like that Bersa.

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CBizgreat! · 2012-03-24 00:02:51

Lol ... yikes, actually grew up in St Louis, was for a longggg time the murder capital of the country, might still be. Factored on a per capita basis, by size vs violent crime and murder rate. Sad thing is many folks there, even seemed proud of it. Like our city was winning some sporting event. Many areas there still are pure ghetto sprawls and sure it's gotten even worse now. Yowza ...

Am not mad atcha either way, things are growing worse all around the country too. More poor people = more desperate people = more crime. That's definitely not rocket science either. That's our gestapo ... errr I meant govt at work imo, shrugs.

Have no idea who first turned thread into to US gun violence rates, chances of needing a firearm for defense etc. Doesn't matter to me ... am not mad at anyone either way. When someone mentions concealed carry, the obvious purpose of that is defense. Unless someone proposes the purpose they want to carry a concealed firearm, is just in case they happen by a shooting range or a rogue computer presents itself. wink

Was actually trying to be helpful in much of that babbling. Cause some of that is important to know for real and worth the forethought. Good combat firearm instructors will coach clients and students as to what they should say to gestap ... errrr police. In the event they are ever involved in a shooting. The thing about being careful whatcha say online, same thing, though unlikely, getting more likely nowadays.

Mean if someone breaks into your home and ya shot them, yep ... Should be alright, if ya happen to be out, were to be confronted and shot someone, questions certainly will be asked, right answers are best to be given. And if statements someone were to make online ever did pop up, can realistically change an unfortunate incident from a citizen who defended themselves, to a person with questionable mental stability, who made statements on the net making it clear they'd long since decided to shoot to kill and may have gone looking for trouble blahblahblah. Aka: Goes from justifiable to oops, you might be taking a govt sponsored vacation and/or getting sued in civil court for wrongful death by a ticked off ghetto turds family.

Only pointing those kinda things out, cause again might turn out to be useful for whoever. Not at all saying you're a psycho or have tendencies etc. Only saying as far as the majority of authorities in the US are concerned, everyone is guilty now, until proven innocent, a poss suspect, Us ( gestapo) vs them mentality that's become prevailent in oinkdom, so on and so forth.

So actually on your side of the issue. You've been shooting helpless computers ?! Omg ... murderer, how could ya ?!!!

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p120d16y · 2012-03-24 00:26:32

Generally when I post on the internet I am using proxies. I understand you meant well, as did I.
Of course your only response and reasoning for self defense is you were in imminent danger. Your life was fully threatened.
I don't have a Facebook or anything, and I've never posted any other thing on the internet ever about firearms. Ever.
I know my rights, and the laws very well.

/thread

snowpine · 2012-03-24 01:02:42

p120d16y wrote:

/thread

Would you like a mod to close the thread, or is that a rhetorical device? smile
I am enjoying the discussion but will close it if you feel it's run its course.

pvsage · 2012-03-24 01:21:40

About a .22: I realize this caliber has been discussed quite a bit here, but I've heard that it's the preferred caliber for the "double-tap". Apparently they have enough penetrating power to punch into the skull, but not enough to exit, so they just rattle around turning the gray matter into Jello. yikes

snowpine · 2012-03-24 01:30:43

The moderators have spoken, we all like this thread. smile

falldown · 2012-03-24 01:31:57

pvsage wrote:

About a .22: I realize this caliber has been discussed quite a bit here, but I've heard that it's the preferred caliber for the "double-tap". Apparently they have enough penetrating power to punch into the skull, but not enough to exit, so they just rattle around turning the gray matter into Jello.

Ok.. now I'm trying to figure out what you do professionally.. lol

sqlpython · 2012-03-24 01:51:12

Apparently they have enough penetrating power to punch into the skull, but not enough to exit, so they just rattle around turning the gray matter into Jello

Ok... I have heard that before but.........
I sure hope that it was a coincidence that right after your post.. the moderators posted..

The moderators have spoken, we all like this thread.

lol

sqlpython · 2012-03-24 01:57:32

I'll take my odds of being able to quickly respond to a situation.

Well we can talk about it but
a citizen has to go with his/her comfort zone. Rewards and Consequences are his/her earnings. nuff said..

snowpine · 2012-03-24 01:57:38

don't mess with us mods, I'm tellin ya!

Actually this thread is fascinating me because I just finished watching The Wire (HBO series) and there was a lot of firearms lingo/terminology being thrown around that I did not completely understand. (It took me an entire episode to realize killing someone with a "hot shot" had nothing to do with guns at all!)

Curious to hear from the enthusiasts if the way firearms are portrayed in movies/TV is realistic, or if you have any "pet peeves" you think are totally unrealistic? Like, do people really hold their pistols sideways? does carrying a shotgun under your trenchcoat really make you bad@ss? that kind of thing...

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-24 02:04:21

Happen to be fond of Pvsage ... Many calibres are capable of doing someone in. Though in the context you're referring to there, double tap, would seem to be close range execution style thing imo. Yep ... have been used far as I know in applications like that. Temple is eggshell thin, base of skull, couple others ... so forth. 22's tend to be subsonic w standard ammunitioin for em. Which makes them quieter and even more silencer friendly, than anything that's supersonic.

Just an opinion, yep ... can see someone using a small cal like that up close and personal to do someone in, If people were talking about real life gun play among civilians ... Anyone who know's would raise an eyebrow at anyone who seriously opined 22 as a carry weapon, even as a backup. Just 2 more pointless, babbling cents folks. wink

PS, snowpine imo .... OVERWHELMING majority of the brainwash nonsense hollywood and the entertainment industry pukes out on the masses falls soundly into that category ... Oh well ... supposed to be for entertainment purposes, mostly when in front of tube try not to critique it for realism, as it's a work of fiction and thusly by definition not real. big_smile

Nother babble add: And yes, carrying a sawed off under a trenchcoat definitely imo has a high potential for badazzness rating. Reliable as heel, massive amount of close range carnage in a small area. Had a "friend" who used to like to tote around a sawed off 20 gauge pump w a nylon sling, 6 shots of pure death and frigger was so small didn't even require a trench. Though person was suffering from a couple serious mental disorders, TMT ( too much television) and YAS ( young and stupid) syndrome. wink

Which btw, altering a firearm, ie: sawing off a shotgun is a super serious federal offense then and now, A fantastic way for someone to get locked up and they'll throw away the prison cell, not just the key to said prison cell. Post 9-11 america esp, gotta luv it ...

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sqlpython · 2012-03-24 02:18:45

Don't want to beat Knife carry to death on a Gun Thread but.........
Here is short Spyderco Video with a few nice improvement tips..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en … 5Xm7RtyTII

p120d16y · 2012-03-24 02:53:44

sqlpython wrote:

Don't want to beat Knife carry to death on a Gun Thread but.........
Here is short Spyderco Video with a few nice improvement tips..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en … 5Xm7RtyTII

I supposed it could essentially become just a general self defense thread at this rate.

@ snowpine, I didn't really mean close the thread, I think it's great. I just meant I would stop explaining myself and defending why I carry/like guns,
because it's supposed to be hobby/enthusiast biased, not started to talk about killing people and crime statistics. So with that said, I mean this thread to be about target shooting, favorite guns, ammo, oils, etc. and what preferred for concealment vs. power. Things of this nature.

p120d16y · 2012-03-24 03:09:13

Going night shooting out in the desert testing out this Sellier and Bellot ammo. Gonna shoot some Blackberries and Razr phones. Boss said get rid of em, they were old corporate work phones. I'll try to get a few pics.

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