Gun Hobby Thread

gutterslob · 2012-03-20 19:29:56

@CB
Just to clarify.
When I talked about rolling joints, I was just giving a true account of what I was doing at the time, that's all. Didn't imply that the weed made me more "peace-loving" or whatever. I'm generally against gun ownership, but this thread was started for people who already like/own firearms, so it doesn't matter.

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jens · 2012-03-20 19:50:52

here's a short video about the Walther Black Tac which i've used in the incident.
(i think the design suits the #! style well enough... big_smile )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyci4AhaYyY

the flipper allows you to snap it open with your index finger using just one hand.
i have removed the side-mounted belt clip as i carry it in a holster.
the glass breaker at the bottom of the grip may also serve as a kubotan for striking vital points.

there is also a tanto version, but i prefer the spear point blade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOO817A- … re=related

(german narrator)

the knife is quite cheap, pricing around 20 EUR including the cordura holster.
nice in case you need to get rid of it.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-20 20:15:02

Everything Walther makes is very nice.

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 21:48:44

Slob-san ... it's all good, was mainly clowning round, though actually do tend to respect whatcha have to add in the forum. Am not mad at anyone either way, whether for or against people owning firearms.

PS, though in point of fact, don't see how some good weed could hurt anything. tongue

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rhowaldt · 2012-03-20 22:20:29

p120d16y wrote:

Nobody can really just legal smoke cannabis.
Even in the Netherlands it's super restricted to an extent.

hmm... no, it's not, really. i would not call the weed-situation here 'super restricted', not even 'to an extent'. in fact, i can just go out to a coffeeshop right now, buy 5 grams of weed and smoke a joint in the middle of the street and nobody would really care. if the police came, i'd be allowed to carry the 5 grams, and they'd ask me to put out the joint. but to be honest, they'd rather go tell somebody drinking a beer to stop it than with smokers - just less trouble from them. so, pretty much practically legal over here!

anyway, seems guns&drugs go together in this thread big_smile
i was wondering if i should start a 'what substances do you use' thread but i fear of having my mod-status disputed smile let someone else do it, i'll join in. this thread needs to get back to guns.

Vansgo · 2012-03-20 22:28:02

I'm really confused now - do I just flash a knife, wave a hand gun or start rolling a bunch of joints roll

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 22:44:14

LMAO ... errr think you're on the right track Vansgo, it's the order that's important me thinks. Lemme try n help.

1. Throw knife to person who is bugging ya.
2. Pull pistol thereafter and shoot em. Leaving knife with their prints laying where it falls.
3. Roll joint at this point, as it's been a very stressful few minutes and ya need to relax a bit before calling the cops to report this terrible incident.

wink

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memilanuk · 2012-03-21 03:21:00

p120d16y wrote:

I noticed the paper on the barrel to keep to glare out of the scope.

It's actually a glorified venetian blind slat, called a mirage band. Nothing to do with glare; it deflects the heat mirage from the barrel to prevent additional optical distortion of the target image. Bad enough having over a half mile of atmospheric garbage to look thru without having to fight more crap thrown off from barrel heat.

Vansgo · 2012-03-21 03:52:01

^ high tech blind - aka thermo deflecting mirage band - wow - is that practical for an automobile?!

memilanuk · 2012-03-21 04:02:12

Not sure it'd be applicable... you generally aren't looking thru 40x magnification when driving - or least I'm not wink

Mirage between the shooter and the target can be useful as an indicator of wind currents (its an acquired skill)... some days, anyway.

p120d16y · 2012-03-21 05:55:58

rhowaldt wrote:

p120d16y wrote:
Nobody can really just legal smoke cannabis.
Even in the Netherlands it's super restricted to an extent.
hmm... no, it's not, really. i would not call the weed-situation here 'super restricted', not even 'to an extent'. in fact, i can just go out to a coffeeshop right now, buy 5 grams of weed and smoke a joint in the middle of the street and nobody would really care. if the police came, i'd be allowed to carry the 5 grams, and they'd ask me to put out the joint. but to be honest, they'd rather go tell somebody drinking a beer to stop it than with smokers - just less trouble from them. so, pretty much practically legal over here!
anyway, seems guns&drugs go together in this thread

i was wondering if i should start a 'what substances do you use' thread but i fear of having my mod-status disputed let someone else do it, i'll join in. this thread needs to get back to guns.

Start one! lol

I just knew it's regulated there in the fact that the government checks exactly how much the coffee shop has and whatnot. I would really like to visit there someday. I know it's the place to go to smoke and where I would order seeds from. big_smile

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p120d16y · 2012-03-21 20:06:42

Thinking about getting a Taurus 9mm, I like this compact but It's $500 so probably not going with this. I saw a Taurus for $400 I really liked but can't recall the model.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-detail … umbseries=

I would like this 24/7 17+1

17 round magazine capacity, balanced spring, you can shoot it as fast as you can rapidly pull the trigger. Smooth, like no recoil.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-detail … umbseries=

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p120d16y · 2012-03-21 20:18:57

I want one of these mother of pearl grips! Super compact, .22LR perfect for concealed carry. The barrel tips up and locks so it could be carried loaded safely and concealed in virtually any way.

$300

http://www.taurususa.com/product-detail … series=SE1

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CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 16:13:27

^Pretty plinker pistol ... Dirt cheap to buy ammunition for, you could mass murder some soda cans and 2 liter's with that puppy.

22LR not so much, though you are right, majority of the time, someone just seeing or knowing you're armed is enough to avoid a potentially serious confrontation and/or end one. But tend to try to be a worst case scenario kinda thinker.

Comes time to have to actually use a firearm on another person. Think needs to be something w enough, preferably more stopping power needed to get the job done, 22's don't have that for many practical purposes. Obviously much can depend on type of ammunition being used. Even a 22 can do some horrible damage ... Junk am talking about is uber illegal though.

Think you're covered P12, 45 w hollow pts in the sucker ? Yep ... plenty of stopping power there. Which is one of the amusing things about a pistol that size. Looking down the barrel of something like that, person feels like they're staring down a subway tunnel. lol

PS, not that matters at all either way. Am not at all a fan of shiny firearms, again due to practical considerations. Much prefer non-reflective things, junk that's more discret. Have always considered shiny, fancy or pretty weaponry better jurisdiction for gamblers n pimps, shrugs. wink

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 17:59:37

^ I found the same .22 in the wood grain grip is only $270, but that pearl grip retails at $311. I would probably just go with the wood grain, although I really just love all black or blued finished guns.

p120d16y · 2012-03-23 18:04:19

CBizgreat! wrote:

^Pretty plinker pistol ... Dirt cheap to buy ammunition for, you could mass murder some soda cans and 2 liter's with that puppy.
22LR not so much, though you are right, majority of the time, someone just seeing or knowing you're armed is enough to avoid a potentially serious confrontation and/or end one. But tend to try to be a worst case scenario kinda thinker.
Comes time to have to actually use a firearm on another person. Think needs to be something w enough, preferably more stopping power needed to get the job done, 22's don't have that for many practical purposes. Obviously much can depend on type of ammunition being used. Even a 22 can do some horrible damage ... Junk am talking about is uber illegal though.
Think you're covered P12, 45 w hollow pts in the sucker ? Yep ... plenty of stopping power there. Which is one of the amusing things about a pistol that size. Looking down the barrel of something like that, person feels like they're staring down a subway tunnel.

PS, not that matters at all either way. Am not at all a fan of shiny firearms, again due to practical considerations. Much prefer non-reflective things, junk that's more discret. Have always considered shiny, fancy or pretty weaponry better jurisdiction for gamblers n pimps, shrugs.

We're thinking the same way basically. I have the .45 for pure power. It's a .45, c'mon nothing is moving after one body shot from a .45

I also don't like them shiny, why I have it all solid metal, all black.

The .22 is a great choice for concealed carry, that's why I want it.

You could even just fire the .45 and it is so loud that can be just enough.

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 18:26:28

A 22 can hurt a person, again though imo ... terrible choice for a carry type deal. People who have been literally riddled with higher cal weapons and took them quite awhile to go down. With summin like a 22LR, someone intoxicated, adrenalized etc etc. Getting shot wouldn't feel like much more than a bee sting. Someone would have to be hit in a vital organ ... poss repeatedly and even then, not like the movies. A person who gets shot if they're determined isn't going to fall right over. Errrr ... well unless < insert tons of stuff here > aim .... ammunition ... person ( lotsa folks are puzzies, can go into shock at the drop of a hat.) A pumped up nutjob though, better than avg odds will come atcha armed or not, shot or not and keep coming too.

So jmo ... definitely not, if you're carrying something for personal protection purposes, may as well make it something more suited to protecting you. Gazillions not much bigger than that lil pocket pistol. And not trying to be an online tough guy, only know how lil effect being confronted with a weapon has on me personally. Am not the everyday joe though, had a tough life to date. Somebody pulls a weapon ( even pistol ) on me, they'd better know exactly what the hell they're doing. Or fairly decent odds, it's getting taken away, shrugs.

Lol ... or they'll whip all hades outta me dorkish self ... either/or. tongue

Again ... jmo ... Small weapons like that can be useful for people, training purposes. It's often EXPENSIVE to afford ammunition for many bigger cal pistols etc. Having an opp to get used to shooting in diff lighting conditions, acquiring a good sight picture, trigger pull ... blahblahblah. Much of that can still be learned with something lower caliber too. Only MUCH cheaper, general thoughts on it and basic common sense though, someone should train with the equipment they actually intend to have/use. But tend to think often something is better than nothing either way. Oh well more cb babble. wink

PS, and not like firearm usage is rocket science lol. Hold this end, bullets come out this one, this thing is trigger, those things are sights. lol

PS2, This is all getting into paranoid land imo though, it's not that friggin bad in majority of the country. Not at all to the point, where someone has to carry a firearm every second, everyday. Seldom hear a shot fired in anger hereabouts. It's not that serious, just saying don't let yaself go into OMG, sky is falling, I have to sleep with 14 pistols and a shotgun under the pillow, lmao. That way lies insanity and a dangerous detachment from reality. That imo ... leads to aforementioned nutjobs, work place shootings, school shootings ... Other mind numbingly retarded and senseless happenings. Ok ... End babble.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 18:34:57

CBizgreat! wrote:

A 22 can hurt a person, again though imo ... terrible choice for a carry type deal. People who have been literally riddled with higher cal weapons and took them quite awhile to go down. With summin like a 22LR, someone intoxicated, adrenalized etc etc. Getting shot wouldn't feel like much more than a bee sting. Someone would have to be hit in a vital organ ... poss repeatedly and even then, not like the movies. A person who gets shot if they're determined isn't going to fall right over.
So jmo ... definitely not, if you're carrying something for personal protection purposes, may as well make it something more suited to protecting you. Gazillions not much bigger than that lil pocket pistol. And not trying to be an online tough guy, only know how lil effect being confronted with a weapon has on me personally. Am not the everyday joe though, had a tough life to date. Somebody pulls a weapon ( even pistol ) on me, they'd better know exactly what the hell they're doing. Or fairly decent odds, it's getting taken away, shrugs.
Lol ... or they'll whip all hades outta me dorkish self ... either/or.
Again ... jmo ... Small weapons like that can be useful for people, training purposes. It's often EXPENSIVE to afford ammunition for many bigger cal pistols etc. Having an opp to get used to shooting in diff lighting conditions, acquiring a good sight picture, trigger pull ... blahblahblah. Much of that can still be learned with something lower caliber too. Only MUCH cheaper, general thoughts on it and basic common sense though, someone should train with the equipment they actually intend to have/use. But tend to think often something is better than nothing either way. Oh well more cb babble.

PS, and not like firearm usage is rocket science lol. Hold this end, bullets come out this one, this thing is trigger, those things are sights.

This is really not even true. Sorry to dispute you but one shot from a .22 can generally kill just as easily.
It should only be loaded with JHPs, bad reference with this one, but the school shooting in Ohio the other day, that kid took a .22 revolver and 4 people he shot one time died. The bullet is traveling faster than a .45 caliber, and a +p load is going 1200+ FPS. That is not a bee sting. A BB gun is a bee sting, a real pistol, no matter the caliber will kill. Nobody is going to die if you shoot them in the arm.

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snowpine · 2012-03-23 18:35:33

Perhaps a strange question that just popped in my head (all this talk of "stopping power")... is there any specific training or exercise, in law enforcement, military, etc. that prepares/conditions you to take a bullet and keep on going? smile

p120d16y · 2012-03-23 18:38:03

snowpine wrote:

Perhaps a strange question that just popped in my head (all this talk of "stopping power")... is there any specific training or exercise, in law enforcement, military, etc. that prepares/conditions you to take a bullet and keep on going?

Yes, actually. You have to stop yourself from going into shock. They train for this in the military. I've went into shock a couple of times, and it's scary as hell, but you have to cope with it and mentally tell yourself you are just fine.

p120d16y · 2012-03-23 18:40:45

@CBizgreat, if I pull a pistol on someone, they are already shot, I'm not pulling it to flash it around, so prepare to see said gun for a split second before getting blasted in the chest. No warnings, no waving it for show. That isn't it's purpose.

Also, larger caliber, specifically .45 in low quantities is nearly a buck a round right now. You have to buy in bulk to get a decent price. I just paid $70 for 200 rounds the other day. In just the past month I've shot enough .45 rounds to buy another .45!!!

ALSO, my preferred concealed carry is a .45, but I want to get a compact 1911. My Cougar is pretty damn beefy to be concealing, but if you wanna roll cowboy style it's totally possible. Most comfortable .45 I've shot. It is a beast.

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CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 18:49:41

Well ... again, ask the experts, of one I don't claim to be. Research the flip side of it. You can find more incidents than you can shake a stick at where higher cal stuff was used to extremely poor effect. Again ... much thinking on it, stems from people watching TV, not doing real life training or fact based research. A 22LR is not, will never be a combat round for many good reasons. Those poor children were just that, poor naive children too. Common sense tells you don't sit there like a lamb at slaughter, when nutjob is walking up pointing a deadly weapon atcha, with clear intentions of killing people. RUN, fight ... do something, anything but sit there. Most real life scenario's your envisioning, other person(s) can't be relied on to act that way.

I mean it's your choice and don't think things are so bad, that most people most places need to stress or lose sleep over the issue. Nothing wrong with the boyscout motto though either. Just saying think too many people in this country are scared of too many senseless things, instilled and reinforced by the media, govt + hollywood. Which imo are all pretty much the same entity now anyway, shrugs. Not nearly scared or nearly worried enough about things they should really be worried about.

Me = 4 inch or so onehand folding knife. Is carried for protection and deterant purposes. Edged weapons, esp if you know half arse what your doing are not nice things either folks. I don't NEED to carry it, just agree with the boy scouts on the issue. wink

Oops yay ! I get to babble more ! My opinion snowpine, it's just being in good physical condition and conditioning themselves to stay calm in stressful situations or whatever blahblahblah. Knowing the limitations of the equipment being used and telling yaself often enough what your limitations are = You have none, lol. Ye are invincible, but choose not to be shot/hurt unless absolutely necessary, but only cuz pain hurts and lowers combat effectiveness, not because it'll stop ya. LMAO ... jedi mind trick really, but totally valid too. The difference imo between a person who get's hurt and stops, only to get more seriously hurt and one who gets hurt and knows their best bet is to stay calm and keep going is knowing and telling yourself that's what has to be done.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-23 18:55:27

The whole point with the .22 is ONLY concealability and accuracy. It's not got knock down power of course, but you shoot the person 2-3 times in rapid succession, not just one shot. And they WILL go right down from that, I don't care how big you are, I've SEEN it.

A .45 just using a 230 grain standard load FMJ is enough bang that at close range it's going through the chest, out the back, and into the neighbors house. No joke. It packs some mad power. That's why you use Jacketed hollows, otherwise that bullet is gonna keep going instead of shredding up. I'm quite positive I can shoot through a car and right out the other side!

Imagine carrying this full size 1911 and concealing it!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … EwAA&dur=0
EDIT: Funny thing is, I was just watching the review video there at this link and they are saying it is a great CCW gun. Maybe I'll get a CCW for my Cougar now.

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sqlpython · 2012-03-23 19:12:57

Just a comment on Jens Walther blade carry.. Walther makes good quality.. good choice..
Here is an alternative that is a bit easier on the pocketbook, yet with comparable quality..SpyderCO Byrd Series.
my current favorite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MenMKQdLvrg

They can vary from the Economically quality executed..
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=591
to the more elaborate..
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=419

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-23 19:16:18

^ Lol ... again, it's totally your choice, your money and would be your carry thingy. There are 18 gazillion models of sidearm in combat calibre's out there for compact carry use. You could very likely even get a used one for not much more than the one you found there. Am wayyyyy over my macho, dy w/o napalm is like a dy w/o sunshine quota here. lol

Nothing wrong with being prepared imo, it's certainly your right too. Only saying think it's unhealthy if taken too far or thought about over much etc. Leads to many a weirdoe, like that lil creep and all those other reality detached subhumans feckers that do school shootings. Stay firmly grounded in POSITIVE reality is my take. The world is not full of terrorists hiding behind every bush and rapist drug crazed thugs around every corner. For the overwhelming majority, no shortage of peace here in the states.

Ok ... 2 more babbling cents added. END BABBLE: wink

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