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#1 2012-03-22 19:32:20

iMBeCil
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From: Edrychwch o'ch cwmpas
Registered: 2012-03-22
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[SOLVED]almost persuaded

Hi everybody,

After lurking for a few months, and using #! in VBox, I'm almost ready to ditch Ubuntu (still 10.10; couldn't stand the Unity). I'm quite sure that #! will be my next choice, although I might give a chance to LUbuntu, if applications I need prove to be too old in stable. (Yes, I know, I can switch to sid ...)

Background: long time Microsoft user (since Win 3.30), switched to Ubuntu in last 4 years, and at the same time, FreeBSD box maintainer since 4.4 (small web server), exclusively CLI.

What I like in #!: simplicity, non-GUI-bloated configs, minimalism. Forum/people attitude! Actually, I think that I will go for #! with pekwm (thanks to 2Dog). Still, stable might be a 'problem' ...

So I have introduced myself, as requested. (Gosh, I feel as I am selling myself.)

Keep up the good work #!

Last edited by iMBeCil (2012-10-08 20:49:16)


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#2 2012-03-22 19:33:15

snowpine
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to the forums! Former Ubuntu user myself. smile


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#3 2012-03-22 19:37:30

kri5
#! Die Hard
From: L.G.C. UK
Registered: 2011-11-10
Posts: 568

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Hi and welcome to the #! community. big_smile
You've come to the right place, I'm sure plenty of people will be able to give to advice, I'm a 'stable' user myself but there are plenty of SID user here who I'm sure will tempt you to the dark side. lol

P.S.  Curse that 2ManyDogs, I've got more WM's than software now.  lol


#! Waldorf - 64bit - Xfce

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#4 2012-03-22 19:45:23

2ManyDogs
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Registered: 2011-11-22
Posts: 1,346

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to #! iMBeCil. I tried Lubuntu for a little while, and it had more bugs than I was happy with. Plus it's LXDE, just a pile of fluff on top of Openbox. You'll be back smile

kri5 wrote:

P.S.  Curse that 2ManyDogs, I've got more WM's than software now.  lol

smile And you haven't even seen all of them yet... wink

Last edited by 2ManyDogs (2012-03-22 19:52:26)


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#5 2012-03-22 19:57:00

vic
#! by Default
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Registered: 2009-02-13
Posts: 3,182

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to #! iMBeCil, if you are selling, we are buying! We want you, there is no escape to #!
Have fun and join the #!inezz!


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#6 2012-03-22 20:01:42

VastOne
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From: V-Ger
Registered: 2011-04-26
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to CrunchBang iMBeCil, enjoy the ride and thank you in helping make the community stronger!


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#7 2012-03-22 20:04:27

iMBeCil
WAAAT?
From: Edrychwch o'ch cwmpas
Registered: 2012-03-22
Posts: 798
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Thanks for welcome.

@snowpine: so I am not alone smile BTW, do you experience 'the loss' of some particular application due to the 'stable' nature of the #!? Any advice?

@kri5: true enough, my #! in VBox is filled with VMs, too. But somehow I cannot force myself to use tilling WM, so I have only half of them

@2ManyDogs: you are right for the LXDE, of course. For me, OpenBox or pekwm is enough; there is no need for additional stuff just for eye candy. I might miss desktop icons and stuff, but there are lightweight alternatives in OpenBox (and supposedly in pekwm), AFAIK.


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#8 2012-03-22 20:28:58

snowpine
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Registered: 2008-11-24
Posts: 2,924

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

iMBeCil wrote:

@snowpine: so I am not alone smile BTW, do you experience 'the loss' of some particular application due to the 'stable' nature of the #!? Any advice?

'Stable' requires a strong discipline; many users feel confined and choose to add Backports, Testing, Unstable and/or Experimental repos to get newer software. Debian has powerful tools to make this work, but you need to understand how software sources and apt-pinning preferences work for best results.

On the other hand, the benefits of Stable are great. If you find the right balance and get it set up exactly the way you like it, you know that it will be exactly as you like it tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that...

Currently I am experimenting with a "rolling release" distro. But the jury is still out... on the one hand newer apps have updated features (a concrete recent example being Transmission with support for magnet links), on the other hand, I do kind of miss the stability of Debian-based.


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#9 2012-03-22 20:36:44

dubois
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From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Still undecided?  Maybe this will help.  wink

Seriously, I must agree with snowpine -- unless you know what Debian Stable is and is capable of being and doing, then you've no idea what you're missing.  I want to mess with Sid, and sometimes do, but my heart lies with a stable [solid] operating system.  Welcome.  big_smile

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#10 2012-03-22 20:49:10

VastOne
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Registered: 2011-04-26
Posts: 10,163
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

^ And on the other side of this coin, I use Crunchbang with Sid exclusively on all my machines and my client machines and never run into issues that cannot be resolved in a matter of minutes.  I have been doing this for a year now.

I would go insane waiting for things in Stable


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#11 2012-03-22 20:57:16

gensym
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Registered: 2011-10-17
Posts: 447

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to the community, have a nice ride smile


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#12 2012-03-22 21:17:48

rhowaldt
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Registered: 2011-03-09
Posts: 4,396

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

welcome to the community! hope you end up choosing #!, but i got a feeling you will smile

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#13 2012-03-22 21:20:39

falldown
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Registered: 2011-09-01
Posts: 1,726

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to the community iMBeCil!! Lots of #!'ers here with the know-how to help with just about everything... Think I even noticed a thread on "kitchen water pipe replacement" (just joking), but theres a lot of knowledge here on the banger forums.

I might take the plunge into Sid here soon.. Maybe!?! big_smile

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#14 2012-03-23 01:00:14

cJones
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From: Oregon
Registered: 2012-02-21
Posts: 447

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to the #! community iMBeCil


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#15 2012-03-23 12:04:52

iMBeCil
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From: Edrychwch o'ch cwmpas
Registered: 2012-03-22
Posts: 798
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

OK, thanks a lot, very warm welcome, I dare to say

But, enough talking and saying hello ... let me try to install #! on my dell xps M1530, and see if I can do my everyday job!


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#16 2012-10-02 21:41:32

KrunchTime
#! Die Hard
From: not where I belong
Registered: 2012-03-02
Posts: 2,200

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

iMBeCil wrote:

OK, thanks a lot, very warm welcome, I dare to say

But, enough talking and saying hello ... let me try to install #! on my dell xps M1530, and see if I can do my everyday job!

So what was the outcome?  Was stable good enough or did you decide to use the Testing/Sid repos?

I've been mostly happy running CrunchBang Statler with the backports option, but recently I tried to install a newer version of Rainlendar, but I couldn't install it because it depends on libc6 v2.15 or greater.  The incident has got me thinking again about using testing/sid repos.  However, I checked the Debian packages site today and even Sid doesn't have libc6 v2.15.

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#17 2012-10-02 22:29:39

dura
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From: interzone
Registered: 2012-09-15
Posts: 2,107

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Yo. Oh, give in.

Why go to Sid, when Wheezy is in between? Waldorf is Wheezy...

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#18 2012-10-02 23:34:42

KrunchTime
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From: not where I belong
Registered: 2012-03-02
Posts: 2,200

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

d! wrote:

Yo. Oh, give in.

Why go to Sid, when Wheezy is in between? Waldorf is Wheezy...

Read a post by one of the forum moderators that Sid gets security updates quicker than Testing, although you're probably risking stability because Sid is more bleeding edge than Testing.

Last edited by KrunchTime (2012-10-02 23:35:37)

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#19 2012-10-03 00:40:14

merelyjim
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From: Fort Worth, Texas
Registered: 2010-04-07
Posts: 2,303
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Welcome to #! smile

Just for the sake of saying so, you don't have to choose now. Maybe to break in your boots, install stable. You can always change it to Sid, or testing, or whatever later by a few keystrokes to [//etc/apt.sources.list] Lots of documentation by people smarter than I on the subject.


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#20 2012-10-03 09:21:41

iMBeCil
WAAAT?
From: Edrychwch o'ch cwmpas
Registered: 2012-03-22
Posts: 798
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

KrunchTime wrote:
iMBeCil wrote:

OK, thanks a lot, very warm welcome, I dare to say

But, enough talking and saying hello ... let me try to install #! on my dell xps M1530, and see if I can do my everyday job!

So what was the outcome?  Was stable good enough or did you decide to use the Testing/Sid repos?

I've been mostly happy running CrunchBang Statler with the backports option, but recently I tried to install a newer version of Rainlendar, but I couldn't install it because it depends on libc6 v2.15 or greater.  The incident has got me thinking again about using testing/sid repos.  However, I checked the Debian packages site today and even Sid doesn't have libc6 v2.15.

Outcome: 100% success. I am a happy user of #!, system is stable.

At this time I changed from statler stable to wheezy, and stayed on this to this day. Being an extremely satisfied user of PekWM (again, thanks to legendary 30 WM thread). Have had problems with gnome-keyring due to own ignorance, but solved it (almost) complete.

Reason to go to wheezy/testing was various software versions (as I recall, bluefish editor was really too old in stable, compared to testing). As for your Rainlendar problem, I agree, but often debian catches up 'quickly'. I also see that Ubuntu has libc6 v.2.15. Perhaps you can force update of libc6 with version from ubuntu?

Now I am waiting for non-test Waldorf to install on Dell; in the meantime, I'm playing with Waldorf-testing in virtualbox and on USB stick (e.g. just installed on Asus Eee 1005HA with broken HDD).


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#21 2012-10-05 17:03:22

KrunchTime
#! Die Hard
From: not where I belong
Registered: 2012-03-02
Posts: 2,200

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Thanks for the update, iMBeCil.

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#22 2012-10-05 23:03:31

merelyjim
#! Die Hard
From: Fort Worth, Texas
Registered: 2010-04-07
Posts: 2,303
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Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Good to know it worked out.


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#23 2012-10-06 08:39:07

xaos52
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From: Planet of the @s
Registered: 2011-06-24
Posts: 4,602

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Now go edit the first post of this  thread and replace 'almost' with 'complete and utterly' big_smile

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#24 2012-10-08 20:50:13

iMBeCil
WAAAT?
From: Edrychwch o'ch cwmpas
Registered: 2012-03-22
Posts: 798
Website

Re: [SOLVED]almost persuaded

Ha, that is better!


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