Gun Hobby Thread

memilanuk · 2012-03-20 12:11:25

Best view in (southern) England, as far as I'm concerned:

Bisley 2009

memilanuk · 2012-03-20 12:14:21

Blair Atholl, Scotland 2011

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 13:37:47

Think we've all learned much from this thread. Such as ... ^he can shoot someone's arse off from quite a distance away and I am going to have to be more careful of Lain, it's always da quiet ones. As apparently he can be quite blood thirsty if angered.

smack him with gun until it breaks and then slit his throat with one of the pieces. It features a nice little JSG logo btw. Dunno what that means.

pvsage · 2012-03-20 13:56:08

CBizgreat! wrote:

Tend to think of it this way, some brilliant folks must've made it the 2nd Amend of the US Constitution for good reason. They obviously felt it very important common people have the right to be armed. Also made it REAL clear their intent wasn't for sporting or hunting purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkxFMCdL33I
Sidebar: Man, people are getting really stupid when it comes to posting Youtube captures. I mean, a camera phone? Really? That's a few steps *below* using a VHS-C camcorder for piracy at a movie theater.

el_koraco · 2012-03-20 14:05:15

pvsage wrote:

Sidebar: Man, people are getting really stupid when it comes to posting Youtube captures. I mean, a camera phone? Really? That's a few steps *below* using a VHS-C camcorder for piracy at a movie theater.

That's your new, socially connected user.

pvsage · 2012-03-20 14:12:35

^ roll , just roll .

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 14:15:17

lol I have also learned that Pvsage is a wiseman. Might be successfully argued someone could learn everything they truly need to know by watching enough episodes of Family Guy and the Simpsons. Would even go so far as to say ... Stewie more than likely uses #!.

Alright ... now to try n get some work done, am wayyyyy over my corny post limit ladies/gents. Hope life's treating everyone well ... Wherever ya happen to be and armed or not. wink

gutterslob · 2012-03-20 14:23:01

I currently live in a country that doesn't allow firearm possession (outside military, security, law enforcement personnel). A good thing, imho.

I did this humanitarian thing many years ago, where we (a convoy of blokes on dirtbikes) rode to remote villages/settlements across parts of Africa, delivering medical supplies and vaccines to the local/stationed doctors. Some of us were given a handgun for emergency use. I assumed it was to scare off bandits or to shoot ourselves in case we got stranded and lost hope or something (doubt they'd be useful if we ran into militia or the like). Never once fired the thing. Didn't even get the urge to.

Other than that, I've held a rifle of some sort while out boar-hunting with a friend. The friend did the shooting. I just rolled joints most of the time. Again, never once got the urge to fire the thing.

Guess I prefer engineering I can ride (karts, pushbikes, motorcycles, women...etc). Might be a different story if someone gave me an interstellar tachyon cannon or something.

Have fond memories of the Super-Soaker from my childhood, though.

safetycopy · 2012-03-20 14:28:17

gutterslob wrote:

Other than that, I've held a rifle of some sort while out boar-hunting with a friend. The friend did the shooting. I just rolled joints most of the time. Again, never once got the urge to fire the thing.

That's a comforting thought - stoned people with a rifle! roll

rhowaldt · 2012-03-20 14:29:48

gutterslob wrote:

Have fond memories of the Super-Soaker from my childhood, though.
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Point & Squirt

big_smile
man supersoakers are cool.

i've been to Germany when i was younger and some dudes there had the little yellow-pellet-guns lain is talking about. one of them also had the paintball-variant. pretty cool when you are 14 or something. i was damn impressed at least.

in the Netherlands you aren't allowed to own a gun unless you do one of the things el_koraco already mentioned, like be in a shooting club. on the other hand, they let mentally unstable people into shooting clubs and give them licenses, resulting in lots of people killed in some mall somewhere. damn shame, but what can you do about it..

i fired a gun once. i have a friend who knows a guy, who has a friend who hangs on the shady side of society. that last friend apparently borrowed his gun to the guy, so we went out take a shot some night. heavy handgun, big bang, powerful stuff. that was all. didn't think it was very interesting, just hope i didn't hit some bird sitting in a field somewhere...

gutterslob · 2012-03-20 14:34:49

^ FYI, P&S is a biking thing. Point the front end, squirt the throttle.
I suppose you could apply it to water cannons or acts of copulation, but that wasn't my intention.

rhowaldt wrote:

i fired a gun once. i have a friend who knows a guy, who has a friend who hangs on the shady side of society. that last friend apparently borrowed his gun to the guy......

Careful mate. These "friend of a friend of a friend" situations usually lead to one guy wrongfully convicted for something. lol

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p120d16y · 2012-03-20 17:28:35

memilanuk wrote:

Blair Atholl, Scotland 2011

I noticed the paper on the barrel to keep to glare out of the scope.

Most Berettas look like mine, though mine is machined by Beretta to exact specifications under the Stoeger name. Made in Turkey instead of Italy.

Like Jens' example with the knife and burglar situation, a lot of times all that should be needed to thwart a crime is drawing your weapon. They may just run away from you. I've had friends here stopped by homeless men that were all strung out on something asking for money, when they said they didn't carry any cash the homeless man got antsy and said "C'MON YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING!" He got in my friends face like he was about to draw a knife. My friend then drew a 1911 from a concealed holster and the man shouted, "HEY we're cool, we're cool," and ran away.
Another time when I lived back East, a friend of mine told a guy outside a gas station he didn't have any money for him after the guy obviously saw him make a purchase inside the store, the guy pulled out this big blade, slashed him across the arm, then ran away.

lain · 2012-03-20 17:47:11

p120d16y wrote:

a lot of times all that should be needed to thwart a crime is drawing your weapon

That either solves the situation or makes it even more complicated - if your opponent has a gun too.
Plus I don't think that the occurrence of situations like that means that you should carry a gun wherever you go but is a sign of poor welfare and caring. Nobody should be so desperate that he has to threaten random passersby.

Having people carrying guns neither increases nor decreases the amount of crimes happening ever day. You will just have more dead people.

snowpine · 2012-03-20 17:54:55

Seems to me with all the wonderful inventions in the world, why don't we have cheap, nonlethal weapons like a "phaser set to stun?" Just point it at your attacker and he goes to sleep until the cops arrive. It could be the next big iPhone app...

Propelling a high-velocity metal slug into someone's vital organs just seems so outdated/barbaric... sad

p120d16y · 2012-03-20 17:56:32

lain wrote:

p120d16y wrote:
a lot of times all that should be needed to thwart a crime is drawing your weapon
That either solves the situation or makes it even more complicated - if your opponent has a gun too.
Plus I don't think that the occurrence of situations like that means that you should carry a gun wherever you go but is a sign of poor welfare and caring. Nobody should be so desperate that he has to threaten random passersby.
Having people carrying guns neither increases nor decreases the amount of crimes happening ever day. You will just have more dead people.

I don't believe that. If I stop a guy from slashing my throat, and others are doing this it is stopping heinous deaths. Sure there are meaningless, very unwanton deaths due to shootings, but if guns were banned here you would see shootings skyrocket. Nobody is going in trying something funny if they think everyone there is possibly carrying. Banning guns isn't plausible.

What it boils down to is a what if situation. In a perfect world nobody would need to carry a weapon, it's not perfect and I have no idea that while I'm out shopping after dark with my family if one of these homeless guys is going to try to rob me because I seem to have money. If that were to happen, I'm just supposed to trust that he's a good guy, because I'm supposed to just trust other people?

The world is not peaceful as it should be, and you should not put your faith in strangers, you shouldn't trust people.

That is sad to say, but in the real world you never know what you could come up against.
To the worst extent of possibilities, if I wasn't carrying a weapon, someone took advantage of this and hurt my family then what? I would never forgive myself for not being able to protect my family.
Same thing at home, here is another real life situation.

On Fort Bragg in NC, guys were going around door to door posing as a cleaning company telling women that they wanted to clean their vents. They were specifically checking for military wives who were home alone while the husband was working all day. They would scope women out that were alone, come back to "clean," and then rape them.
What would you feel this happened to your wife while you were at work?
Does your wife have protection while you are away?
These are real situations, my wife keeps a gun at home. Point blank, I have two kids and an armed wife at home. With break ins ALL THE TIME, in my area, if someone breaks into my house, they are dead. That's it. At least a few hollow points are hitting that guy instantly. Someone breaks into someone elses home, they should die. Immediately. Period.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-20 18:17:36

snowpine wrote:

Seems to me with all the wonderful inventions in the world, why don't we have cheap, nonlethal weapons like a "phaser set to stun?" Just point it at your attacker and he goes to sleep until the cops arrive. It could be the next big iPhone app...
Propelling a high-velocity metal slug into someone's vital organs just seems so outdated/barbaric...

If a person is going to commit a crime such as breaking in your house to get to your wife or kids, tazing them is not going to stop them from getting out and doing it again, or having revenge. Hey, At least blow their knee caps off.

p120d16y · 2012-03-20 18:20:50

p120d16y wrote:

snowpine wrote:
Seems to me with all the wonderful inventions in the world, why don't we have cheap, nonlethal weapons like a "phaser set to stun?" Just point it at your attacker and he goes to sleep until the cops arrive. It could be the next big iPhone app...
Propelling a high-velocity metal slug into someone's vital organs just seems so outdated/barbaric...
If a person is going to commit a crime such as breaking in your house to get to your wife or kids, tazing them is not going to stop them from getting out and doing it again, or having revenge. Hey, At least blow their knee caps off.

Maybe I'll coin a new term here. People that don't learn with a slap on their wrist sure will with a slug to the chest.

lain · 2012-03-20 18:21:59

Banning guns isn't plausible.

You aren't allowed to carry a gun while walking on the street in Germany. Everytime a policeman fires - even if it's a warning shot - it's worth a report on the news. And that does not happen very often.
Per 100.000 inhabitants you have 3,45 homicides in the USA compared to 0,19 in Germany. I call that a difference.

Orange = killings with guns per 100.000, yellow = other weapons (knifes and so on), BRD = Germany

cchhrriiss121212 · 2012-03-20 18:29:33

I think there are many situations where having a gun would save lives, and individuals such as p120d16y clearly know how to use them responsibly. But there is a clear correlation between the availability of firearms and deaths caused by them:
http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif
You are really kidding yourself if you think guns make the world a safer place.

lcafiero · 2012-03-20 18:30:24

p120d16y wrote:

I love this country for what it was founded on, and not what it has become. I believe the true constitution should never change, and the forefathers had it correct. I will uphold the constitution til the death of me, and wouldn't want it any other way.

Apologies to the Europeans, because this is not going to make much sense since it's U.S.-specific.

The forefathers almost got the Constitution "correct" -- and they had the foresight to provide a mechanism for changes called "amendments" like the First (free speech/association/practice of religion or not to), Second (right to bear arms), etc.

I'm with you there 100 percent on the Constitution, and while I don't always agree with the policies of the nation, I'm glad there are avenues to voice an opinion and change them that don't require bloodshed.

Oh, and meanwhile, back on the topic: I'm not a gun owner, but my daughter is an archer and we like archery quite a bit. We've never shot anything other than targets, though.

p120d16y · 2012-03-20 18:34:14

People who are willing to commit a crime are doing it with a gun, a knife, whatever they have. The common misconception, people don't just see a gun and then think " OH!, now I will commit said crime!"
The person was already criminally engaged. Sure it makes it easier, but to me, the criminal is a criminal. Knife crimes are much higher in the UK because they don't have guns. If they had legal guns, they would be up there with the US.

You may be glad to be without a gun.
I am happy I am able to have one for emergency situations, I feel safer knowing I will stop a threat, and I hope I never have to use it. Most people carry here. Most people never have to shoot at anyone.
It's so over dramatized in the news that people are getting shot! GASP. No, that is television drama. I don't see people drawing weapons and getting shot here. A school shooting you say? That kid that did that was not a gun owner, he was crazy, and got access to an unprotected weapon. Respectable gun owners in America, would never come across to you as a concealed owner. The way it works, is you only know when it's too late.
That is the whole point.

Anyone else want to discuss guns as a hobby and owning them, and not why or why not we should have them?

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and I don't believe any anti-gun rhetoric.

This thread was started for gun shooting as a hobby. Target shooting. Everyone knows PEOPLE kill people.

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lain · 2012-03-20 18:36:57

I'm not a gun owner, but my daughter is an archer and we like archery quite a bit.

^^Archery is a damn cool hobby to have. wink

CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 18:37:56

Can not help but be humbled by GutterSlob's simple wisdom. Weed is in fact the answer imo too, a good toke on peace pipe and the only thing anyone wants to kill is a bag of dorritoes. tongue

Alcohol legal ... tobacco legal, nobody can dispute the death toll and damage these inflict, two of the worst. Mary Jane ... Schedule 1 controlled substance ... WTH man !?!?!? Just ... WTH !?!?!?

Yikes this thread got busy while was typing babble.

cchhrriiss121212 ... the geni is out of the bottle in the US, it's never going back in either. That's just reality, while the country may be armed to the teeth, not doing the population much good far as I can tell, somebody misinterpreted the part about enemies foreign AND domestic here a longgggg time ago. The population here isn't going to go out with a bang, more along the lines of a sigh or a whimper. Well that's obviously plan A anyway. Am confident there's a plan B waiting in the wings too.
Plan A. Stuff like bisphenol A ... yep, sounds crazy, but it's fact. Said before too, not just happening here either. It really is a small world we share.
Plan B. My money is on birdflu or summin close enough.
While totally agree with Lain too. Many of these social afflictions far as I can tell, simply don't need to be this way ... But when you cite stats like .x Germany ( firearms strictly prohibited) vs 3.x US homicides, helps to keep in mind. There are 200 MILLION firearms in circulation here, given that fact, firearm related homicides are a tiny drop in the ocean of what they by rights even should be in my view. Folks here are doing great in getting along for real. Streets should be running with blood and are not ... at all.

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p120d16y · 2012-03-20 18:43:58

CBizgreat! wrote:

Can not help but be humbled by GutterSlob's simple wisdom. Weed is in fact the answer imo too, a good toke on peace pipe and the only thing anyone wants to kill is a bag of dorritoes.
Alcohol legal ... tobacco legal, nobody can dispute the death toll and damage these inflict, two of the worst. Mary Jane ... Schedule 1 controlled substance ... WTH man !?!?!? Just ... WTH !?!?!?

Doesn't make any sense. I'm also a peaceful avid weed smoker. I can't anymore like I used to as a teen because of my job. But it just doesn't make any sense does it? It's worldwide too, not just US. Nobody can really just legal smoke cannabis.
Even in the Netherlands it's super restricted to an extent.
Cali gets raided all the time.

One very large thing I've left out of all of this, about guns and the 2nd amendment.
Lest we forget, we have the second amendment to prevent dictatorship, to prevent a powerful government. Purpose of the second amendment was to not be helpless to our government. What happens if the government wants to radically change your country into communist regime?
Every country that has disarmament issues was communist or socialist.
Obama wants to take guns so that we can complete the cycle.
Won't ever happen.

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CBizgreat! · 2012-03-20 19:04:43

They've got other idea's and stuff at play sadly.

Why was prohibition of alcohol repealed in the States ? It was found to be unconstitutional to prohibit people from being able to imbibe a substance that kill's people like flies ( which yes, I do drink too. tongue ) is involved in an amazing array of the most violent and senseless crimes.

Totally organic cannabis ... 0 recorded deaths in HISTORY !!!! Clinically proven to have myriad of positive health effects and been used for medicinal purposes for 1,000's of years. Schedule 1 .... Whereas Meth, cocaine ... Schedule 2, LESS illegal than a harmless plant. Just bytching !!!! Arghhhhh, nothing makes sense dammit !

Well except for VLL ! wink

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