Purer OpenBox Desktop

librefan · 2012-03-13 12:34:12

Hello,

As much as I appreciate #!, I wish it offered a purer Openbox desktop. To my mind, there is too much Xfce stuff and there are some not so capital Gnome elements in it that make it a bit heavy.

CTKArch is a good example to follow, I think. OpenBox + some LXDE elements. We need such Debian based distro, I think.

Cheers

rhowaldt · 2012-03-13 13:09:47

while i'd also love more departure from Gnome etc, there is also something to say for using the most userfriendly software. of course, what that is exactly, is debatable.

machinebacon · 2012-03-13 13:42:17

there is apt-get purge wink

Or which are those apps which should be removed, and how heavy do they weigh?

ivanovnegro · 2012-03-13 13:47:16

librefan wrote:

CTKArch is a good example to follow, I think. OpenBox + some LXDE elements. We need such Debian based distro, I think.
Cheers

Nope, then it would be the same for some, too much LXDE. smile

Take a Debian and do it yourself. wink Another distro, do not think so, there are already too much without gaining anything. Apart from some "nasty" Gome apps or Xfce respectively #! gets close to perfection in the Openbox scene. It is so good that people from Arch made ArchBang etc etc etc etc etc.

2ManyDogs · 2012-03-13 13:59:30

What is it VO likes to say "one will love it, one will hate it, and the rest won't really care"? something like that...

This guy has three posts, and two of them are "suggestions" for improving the distro.

machinebacon · 2012-03-13 14:03:28

^ That's efficient big_smile

I for myself don't understand why people don't try to build their own system from a netinstall if they have great ideas how to make a system better than an already available one, instead of trying to alter and change existing installations.

rhowaldt · 2012-03-13 14:13:31

^ true. i don't worry about the Gnome-stuff. i removed whatever stuff i didn't need, and the stuff i couldn't remove (GDM) i just kept. it's not like the system is suddenly slow or something.

snowpine · 2012-03-13 14:19:33

useradd -k you can specify different settings for the new user than the default /etc/skel. So you don't need to use the #! defaults for your new user, you can easily use "pure openbox" if you prefer.

johnraff · 2012-03-13 16:01:38

Build a new improved setup, and post a HOWTO here so the rest of us can enjoy it too. smile

librefan · 2012-03-13 16:10:58

Of course we can do whatever we like with Debian but not everyone is able to.

Silly of you 2ManyDogs to say

This guy has three posts, and two of them are "suggestions" for improving the distro.

If someone doesn't write much, that doesn't mean they have used the distro for a couple of days. Perhaps I've posted elsewhere (Corenominal's blog to say thank you for this and that or here under another pseudo. How do you presume to know?

And very rude of you to say "This guy" instead of addressing me who may not or may be a guy for all you know.

What is feedback for if I don't have the right to give my opinion?

There are lots of distros with plenty of Gnome or LXDE (not just a few elements), or Xfce. Some of us need very lightweight distros that work well.

My 2cents.

But you're right, I'd better shut up and "build" my own stuff from Debian net install. It's sometimes easier to add than remove stuff from a distro. And never share, that's even better.

Many thanks snowpine, I'll have a look at useradd -k.

machinebacon · 2012-03-13 16:12:51

Sorted big_smile

Edit: I ask again, if you don't mind, librefan:

Or which are those apps which should be removed, and how heavy do they weigh?

"And never share, that's even better." <- That's not the idea of FOSS or libre software, BTW.

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snowpine · 2012-03-13 16:21:19

Hi librefan, you suggest "CrunchBang should be lighter" but you tell us nothing about your hardware, your performance problems, or specific applications that you feel are too "heavy." Your suggestions will carry more weight if you share the experiences that led you to make that suggestion. smile

As a historical note, #! used to be very LXDE-like (openbox, lxpanel, pcmanfm, etc.) but the community overwhelmingly voted for the current setup.

ivanovnegro · 2012-03-13 16:29:23

@librefan: I was also one that suggested that you go the Debian netinstall route, hey, that is what I actually do and use and prefer over #! with Openbox any times. Because as you said, for me it is easier to add needed stuff instead to find what cruft I have to remove. I wanted to encourage you. smile

I am even more minimal than Openbox what I never used.

Edit: Typo.

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machinebacon · 2012-03-13 16:34:40

By the way, you can go completely libre with a netinstall (or see gnewsense)

rhowaldt · 2012-03-13 22:15:06

@librefan: please don't be pissed. 2manydogs was probably having a bad day or something. after all, he's been testing WMs all week, that can't be easy.

my first reaction was quite like his, i gotta be honest. but then i looked where you posted it, and it was Feedback&Suggestions, so i figured you had your right to your opinion. people make mistakes.

your suggestion is a good one, as lots of people here are always looking to minimize their setup. however, #! is corenominal's baby. you just gotta hope he makes decisions you agree on with this distro. if not, just build your own! and feel free to stay with us and hang out here, and like johnraff said, do a How To to share your knowledge with the community.

Texus · 2012-03-14 05:47:29

librefan (and the other mods in here... Please allow me to pipe up as a non-techie (as much as that is compatible with being a linux user). I have been using #! and only #! on a full time-time basis for work and play for the last 3 years. This is after distro-hopping for quite some time, in search of The One. For me, it's been, on balance, the lightest, most stable and most flexible OS ever. When I get a new machine, I install whatever is the latest version posted by Corenominal, set it up the way I like it (e.g. throw in things like Kupfer, Nautilus, apt-pinning), and that's that. Every once in a while I do update and upgrade. The tinkerer in me has been completely lulled to complacence; I simply don't try to make it better any more. I suspect many of the loyal Crunchies (which includes my militantly non-geek better half) are like me - happy that they can just get on with their lives.

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VastOne · 2012-03-14 05:54:51

^ Well said Texus.

There are many of us who did the same thing, hopping every distro that had legs but found a home with CrunchBang and remain loyal to it.

mikhou · 2012-03-14 07:20:35

^ Gotta agree with Texus.

I have found a home with #!. It is "on balance" what I like in an OS. Now, that being said, I'm a fan of xfce. So the next time that I have to reinstall, I'll probably just use the latest iso, add xfce, and then set it up like I like it.

mikhou

smoki · 2012-03-14 13:58:27

machinebacon wrote:

By the way, you can go completely libre with a netinstall (or see gnewsense)

For libretadores smile just use netinstall and add libre planet repo for deblobed kernel:

deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/planet planet main

and that is it, you are freee... and don't worry non-free repos are not enabled by default..

http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Libre-Kernel

Last edited by smoki (2012-03-14 14:01:39)

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