CrunchBang 10 "Statler" r20110105

SmashedGlass · 2011-01-17 17:37:21

I've a possibly silly question. Is it still possible to install, say, the XFCE version and have the option of an OB session as well? I remember Phil saying somewhere that Statler worked that way (XFCE with optional OB session and vice-versa).

Forgive me for my ignorance, I've been off regular use of my #! laptop for awhile and am contemplating upgrading to the 20110105 image.

Sector11 · 2011-01-17 17:39:15

SmashedGlass wrote:

I've a possibly silly question. Is it still possible to install, say, the XFCE version and have the option of an OB session as well? I remember Phil saying somewhere that Statler worked that way (XFCE with optional OB session and vice-versa).
Forgive me for my ignorance, I've been off regular use of my #! laptop for awhile and am contemplating upgrading to the 20110105 image.

Yup, open a terminal and run:

cb-welcome

One of the options is to install Xfce if you have IOpenBox and OpenBox if you have Xfce.

rizzo · 2011-01-17 17:54:48

Sector11 wrote:

Yup, open a terminal and run:
cb-welcome
One of the options is to install Xfce if you have IOpenBox and OpenBox if you have Xfce.

It's easier just to run

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install crunchbang-multi-session

SmashedGlass · 2011-01-17 18:02:52

Alrighty then. I'll throw 20110105 on the lil'Dell today. Original Alpha2 got borked while visiting the kids for Xmas, so it's currently running an un-modded Mint9 XFCE. Thanks.

Sector11 · 2011-01-17 18:47:02

omns wrote:

Sector11 wrote:
Yup, open a terminal and run:
cb-welcome
One of the options is to install Xfce if you have IOpenBox and OpenBox if you have Xfce.
It's easier just to run
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install crunchbang-multi-session

Yes, it is, but I didn't know that - then! I do now big_smile

earth_walker · 2011-01-18 02:03:36

I've been a (silent) crunchbang fan for a few years now, and played with the livecd on various machines but put Statler on my mini hp a few days ago. And I love it - it's fast, it's beautiful, and even as a beta seems more... polished and stable than the ubuntu-based ones were. The touchpad is a bit wonky on this - but that's a kernel issue and I've worked around it until it's fixed, but other than that, a lovely release. Can't wait for the finished product, and as soon as I have a spare moment I'm doing an upgrade on 9.04 on the other laptop.

goekhan · 2011-01-18 09:01:45

mattatron wrote:

biology-geek wrote:
Can you tweak the installer/software to include encryption during installation? Encryption of the entire disk, save for the boot directory, would be even better...
+1 I'd love native disk encryption!

+1 for native disk encryption, too!

can´t wait to resurrect my centrino laptop...(+1 gb ram, new hdd)

biology-geek · 2011-01-18 14:12:24

K...so what's the deal with liquonix kernel, #!-32-bit and #!-amd64?

Ran 32-bit with stock kernal - boot time is 35 seconds and idle-ram 52MB.

Ran 64-bit with stock kernal - boot time is 35 seconds and idle-ram 80MB.

Ran 32-bit with liquonix kernel - boot time of 35 seconds and idle-ram of 49.5MB.

I didn't notice any performance difference...just that under the 64-bit version it used more ram across the board...even when opening applications. While running the liquonix kernel under 32-bit it uses less memory across the board.

I was able to confirm that swap space is working. Have swappiness set to 100, but doesn't start swapping till I literally use all of ram.

Anyone have input?

Bio...

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anonymous · 2011-01-18 14:17:04

It is normal that 64-bit may require a lil more memory.

Wikipedia wrote:

The main disadvantage of 64-bit architectures is that relative to 32-bit architectures, the same data occupies more space in memory (due to swollen pointers and possibly other types and alignment padding). This increases the memory requirements of a given process and can have implications for efficient processor cache utilization. Maintaining a partial 32-bit model is one way to handle this and is in general reasonably effective.

slapfish · 2011-01-18 14:31:01

Just to clear this out and avoid any stupid actions in the near future: It isn't possible to install (without breaking the system) a 32bit kernel on amd64 system and vice versa...or is it? If someone wants to 32<->64 his/her (who am I kidding here...only a guy could try that, but anyway...) system a clean re-install is the only way right?

EDIT: and sorry for the kinda off topic question smile

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pvsage · 2011-01-18 15:09:13

^ Dual-boot? hmm

slapfish · 2011-01-18 15:20:32

pvsage wrote:

^ Dual-boot?

I was wondering if it's possible to have a grub with 32/64 entries... I did a little search while waiting and I think it's possible theoretically to upgrade or maybe downgrade a system, but it will require at least a re-installation of a lot of packages...I don't think it is possible to have both.

I'm thinking to downgrade my mini to 686 architecture since amd64 didn't solve any of the problems with drivers etc... if I decide to do it, I'll try to install the 686 kernel and see if it is practically able to downgrade it. if not, then I'll do the clean install I would have done anyway.

biology-geek · 2011-01-18 15:32:59

My N450 processor handles both 32 and 64 bit. I'm left in the dark what advantage a 64 bit processor provides for someone like me. Maybe graphics are enriched, but I don't do games.

As for running office applications...32 bit works just fine.

I've left my system with 32-bit and the liquonix kernel...just cause I like to have the bragging rights of idling 49.5MB big_smile

Have my swap space set to 3.0GB...which is overkill I'm sure, but I'll never have swap space issues in the next decade.

Bio...

slapfish wrote:

Just to clear this out and avoid any stupid actions in the near future: It isn't possible to install (without breaking the system) a 32bit kernel on amd64 system and vice versa...or is it? If someone wants to 32<->64 his/her (who am I kidding here...only a guy could try that, but anyway...) system a clean re-install is the only way right?

EDIT: and sorry for the kinda off topic question

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anonymous · 2011-01-18 17:17:31

The most common reason/advantage to use 64-bit is if you have 4GB of memory or more. Otherwise you're fine with 32-bit.

benj1 · 2011-01-18 18:53:35

anonymous wrote:

The most common reason/advantage to use 64-bit is if you have 4GB of memory or more. Otherwise you're fine with 32-bit.

Isn't it also needed for larger hard drives? or have I just made that up.

anonymous · 2011-01-18 18:57:36

Maybe your thinking of MBR vs GPT?

benj1 · 2011-01-18 19:25:28

anonymous wrote:

Maybe your thinking of MBR vs GPT?

probably roll

charlie01 · 2011-01-19 12:52:58

The new gui installer sure looks nice.
Im using for the first time,Were to install grub has me confused.
I just put in in the root partition.
Ill find out soon enough if that worked. lol

Feared · 2011-01-19 13:11:03

charlie01 wrote:

The new gui installer sure looks nice.
Im using for the first time,Were to install grub has me confused.
I just put in in the root partition.
Ill find out soon enough if that worked. lol

I noticed this as well. They seem'd to remove the "Entire partition" feature in Statler 20110105. You have to manually set up your partitions.

goekhan · 2011-01-19 13:23:55

goekhan wrote:

mattatron wrote:
biology-geek wrote:
Can you tweak the installer/software to include encryption during installation? Encryption of the entire disk, save for the boot directory, would be even better...
+1 I'd love native disk encryption!
+1 for native disk encryption, too!
can´t wait to resurrect my centrino laptop...(+1 gb ram, new hdd)

actually found this workaround but haven´t tried it with #!:
http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/01/01/ho … le-system/

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charlie01 · 2011-01-19 23:40:23

Feared wrote:

charlie01 wrote:
The new gui installer sure looks nice.
Im using for the first time,Were to install grub has me confused.
I just put in in the root partition.
Ill find out soon enough if that worked. lol
I noticed this as well. They seem'd to remove the "Entire partition" feature in Statler 20110105. You have to manually set up your partitions.

I had no problems with it,I already has a partition made,All i had to do was click the format partition before it installs.Putting grub inside my root partition did the job.Installing grub gave me multiple options,I have a dual boot Windows7/#! with recovery partitions and swap.
No matter how long i use linux the SDB SDA thing still confuses me,Windows is more basic with C D E and so on.
My installation went well besides whats already known,,Like the time,It was fixed with NTP,Quick and easy.And Thunar video thumbnails gave me an issue.
I usually install ffmpegthumbnailer, totem with gstreamer and mencoder,that usually gets the job done.
But this time it didnt do the job,I think it was an issue with ffmpegthumbnailer,Once i reinstalled it it worked.

merelyjim · 2011-01-20 13:07:11

earth_walker wrote:

I've been a (silent) crunchbang fan for a few years now, and played with the livecd on various machines but put Statler on my mini hp a few days ago. And I love it - it's fast, it's beautiful, and even as a beta seems more... polished and stable than the ubuntu-based ones were. The touchpad is a bit wonky on this - but that's a kernel issue and I've worked around it until it's fixed, but other than that, a lovely release. Can't wait for the finished product, and as soon as I have a spare moment I'm doing an upgrade on 9.04 on the other laptop.

Welcome to the community, if it hasn't been said before... smile

Do you have the HP mini with the SSD, or standard hard drive?

vicshrike · 2011-01-20 15:59:02

corenominal wrote:

anonymous wrote:
@corenominal - how often will you be updating the Statler images?
I am not too sure. I had not planned on updating the images, but I managed to work through a fair amount of stuff over the holidays and so I figured the images could do with an update.

relax, just do it the Debian way, when ready!

alef · 2011-01-21 09:37:23

I have installed r20110105 over the existing one, keeping /home. I did this rather than a dist-upgrade because of some problems I caused that I could not resolve.

Everything went smoothly, I did not need to use my backup of the home folder.

The new installer "looks" nicer (is that really important?), as some others mentioned the partition setup interface is quite disturbing.

The only problem I had was that there was no option to install grub in other partitions than in the MBR...

Great work, thanks papanominal smile

maddmike · 2011-01-23 18:39:09

Thank-you for the Chrome browser set as default! It has been more stable for me than other browser lately. I have to admit that I have had less issues with the pure Debian based Staler version on Crunchbang than the Ubuntu Jaunty based version. Keep up the good work! big_smile

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