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#1 2008-12-08 09:40:54

corenominal
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CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Update 18/01/09
CrunchBang Linux "Lite" 8.10.02 is available now.

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The first release candidate for the new CrunchBang 8.10.01 "Lite" edition has been uploaded and is available for testing. The image can be downloaded from:

http://crunchbang.net/pub/linux/crunchb … 1.i386.iso
http://bobbo.me.uk/mirror/crunchbang/cr … 1.i386.iso - mirror courtesy of bobbo
http://zop.io/mirror/crunchbang/crunchb … 1.i386.iso - mirror courtesy of zopio
http://dontfightthefuture.com/mirror/cr … 1.i386.iso - mirror courtesy of wench
md5sum: 3f98147648b10e6f533e4106d4056c0d
Approximate size: 416MB

With regards to the differences between the Lite edition and the Standard edition, a slightly different approach has been taken with this release; whereas the 8.04.02 Lite edition simply had all but the terminal, web browser, file manager, editor and media player removed, the same has been done for this release, however the remaining applications (except Terminator) have been swapped out for lightweight alternatives.

  • Firefox is replace by Kazehakase (with Flash support).

  • Thunar has been replaced by PCmanFM.

  • Totem has been replaced by VLC.

  • gedit has been replaced by Leafpad.

All items within the "Preferences" and "System" menus remain unchanged (with exception to below). 

Other changes include:

  • Xfce4 integration/dependencies removed.

  • Themes are now set using the lightweight gtk-chtheme package.

  • Screen resolutions are handled by lxrandr.

  • lxpanel has been replaced by tint and trayer.

  • gdebi and ndiswrapper have been installed by default.

Also, fixes have been implemented for some issues which have been highlighted in the current Standard edition, namely CUPS/printing support.

If anyone would like to give the new release a try, please do so. As always, your feedback and suggestions will be more than welcome! smile

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A note for anyone using a separate home partition. Please be aware that where possible new installations will respect the contents on your existing home partition. Therefore, any exiting configuration files will not be overwritten. This could lead to unexpected issues with your Openbox session. It might be advisable to backup and remove/rename ~/.config before attempting an installation.

Last edited by corenominal (2009-01-18 10:05:47)

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#2 2008-12-08 14:51:21

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

..... downloading ..... smile
and i'm glad to see you use tint panel with trayer.... that's exactly my choise on my actual #! config tongue


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#3 2008-12-08 15:38:12

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Could you please pasting manifest file, listing of all packages name?

Last edited by trendyteddy (2008-12-08 15:41:45)


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#4 2008-12-08 16:05:20

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

arpbook wrote:

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and i'm glad to see you use tint panel with trayer.... that's exactly my choise on my actual #! config tongue

Same here tongue


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#5 2008-12-08 17:15:21

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Wow, this looks great. Time for another virtualbox smile

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#6 2008-12-08 17:18:33

semko
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

arpbook wrote:

.... that's exactly my choise on my actual #! config tongue

my too big_smile


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#7 2008-12-08 17:33:10

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

as I said in my introduction thread, i installed the "full" version yesterday on my eee. Do u think i will be getting much better performance with this version instead?

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#8 2008-12-08 17:43:02

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Very happy with this lite edition. This will definitely help bring some of my older hardware into the realm of usable again.....

Anyway, I was playing around and i noticed that display resolution changes don't seem to be persistent.

I'm running #! on vmware 6.5. I log into the desktop, run lxrandr from the menu, change the resolution to 1024x768, and at this point the resolution changes correctly.

Once I log out of #! and log back in the resolution has reset to 800x600. Is there some way to make this change stay?

Thanks,

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#9 2008-12-08 17:46:25

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Why use VLC? It would require qt libraries.

edit: also you could've considered Seamonkey as an alternative to Firefox.

Last edited by anonymous (2008-12-08 17:54:53)

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#10 2008-12-08 17:52:06

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#11 2008-12-08 18:05:35

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

anonymous wrote:

Why use VLC? It would require qt libraries.

edit: also you could've considered Seamonkey as an alternative to Firefox.

To be fair the lite edition is just a basic system that you then pick and choose what you want to add or remove from it. If you don't like it, then get rid of it, add what you like and then let us know how it went smile

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#12 2008-12-08 18:15:34

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Wow, the Lite version comes along sooner than I expected! I'm testing it right now, installed to an SD card in my eee. I'm a "veteran" of Crunchbang 8.04, where the Lite was just the regular version stripped down. It is nice how 8.10 lite is becoming its own distro with lighter applications. Intriguing!

maerem wrote:

as I said in my introduction thread, i installed the "full" version yesterday on my eee. Do u think i will be getting much better performance with this version instead?

The eee 901 is a powerful computer and can run either the lite or full versions without breaking a sweat. I doubt you'd notice a difference switching to the lite version like you would on old hardware. The biggest difference in performance is from using lighter applications, for example Kazehakase instead of Firefox. If you prefer Kazehakase, you can install it in the full version too. smile If you need the applications in the full version (gimp, skype, abiword, audacity, etc) then you should probably stick with it. If all you need is a lightweight web browser, file manager, etc., then the Lite version might be right for you...


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#13 2008-12-08 18:49:00

arpbook
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

..... downloaded .... tested ....... smile:)
thanks for this release, so fast !!
just a question : what is the PDF folder in /home/user ??


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#14 2008-12-08 18:55:42

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

arpbook wrote:

what is the PDF folder in /home/user ??

It needs to be there for the cups-pdf printer to work properly.

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#15 2008-12-08 20:26:55

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Hi all, thank you for the feedback so far and please keep it coming! smile I do not think I need to mention this, but please remember this is only a release candidate and so there maybe be a few issues still to resolve. Anyhow...

@arpbook & Hanna: I am really enjoying the tint and trayer combination, they compliment each other well. Thank you for the recommendations, I am sure you both helped with your screenshots and descriptions elsewhere.

@trendyteddy: Thanks for the reminder. Please see: http://crunchbang.net/pub/linux/crunchb … nifest.txt

@erlenmeyer316: I will look into lxrandr issue, thanks for raising it. Off the top of my head, I think lxsession is probably required to save state.

@anonymous: I agree the Qt4 requirements are unfortunate, but VLC is such a great application I think having to install a few additional libraries are worth it. Having said that, I will look into more alternatives. Regarding Seamonkey, it was considered, but Kazehakase seemed a more suitable choice. Having said that, nothing is set in stone and I will revisit Seamonkey. Also while I like Kazehakase, I have already noticed a few oddities with it. Thanks for the suggestion. smile

@bobbo: Thank you for the mirror! As you know, any help with lightening the bandwidth load is greatly appreciated. I have updated the initial post to include your links. Thank you again smile

@omns & snowpine: Thank you for helping out and fielding some of the questions. I have been pretty busy of late so any help to lighten load is more than welcome. wink

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A note of my own about this release candidate; it seems that recent updates to xorg mean I can now finally install Intrepid on my desktop system. Prior to this release Intrepid has always failed to get past the GDM. w00t!

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#16 2008-12-08 22:40:36

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

I took the plunge...and the 'lite' version is nice.....is there an easy way to import Firefox bookmarks into the new browser?
Also...no default email client in 'lite', so I'll pick one..


smile

ggordon

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#17 2008-12-08 23:24:16

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

ggordon wrote:

I took the plunge...and the 'lite' version is nice.....is there an easy way to import Firefox bookmarks into the new browser?

smile

ggordon

I have just tested this and Kazehakase will import bookmarks from Firefox. I exported my Firefox bookmarks into a HTML file and within Kazehakase selected "Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks...". When the bookmarks dialog appeared, I then selected "Edit -> Insert Mozilla Bookmark" and adjusted the location to find my exported HTML file. The bookmarks did not appear instantly, so I set the "Update interval (min)" to 1 and after a minute all my bookmarks were available. smile

It looks like Kazehakase has some nifty bookmark features, I will have to investigate some more. Regarding my general thoughts on Kazehakase so far, at first I was a little unimpressed, I had heard good things about it, but now that I have spent some quality time with it I am beginning to like it more and more.

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#18 2008-12-09 00:09:15

ggordon
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Ok....good for you....I've decided I can't live without Firefox and all the cool extensions and can't live without Thunderbird for same reason, so installed both of those...edited the Openbox menu...and now I'm happy.

smile


ggordon

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#19 2008-12-09 01:20:36

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

ggordon wrote:

I've decided I can't live without Firefox and all the cool extensions

No worries, thank you for sharing your preferences. I will try to keep a note of when others show similar preferences. Also, I have not done any extensive testing or comparisons of the two browsers yet, so Firefox may end up replacing Kazehakase before the final build.

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#20 2008-12-09 01:56:14

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

DAMNIT if i hadn't already spent so much time configing my system and tweaking themes and options that don't live in my home folder i'd be running it now... maybe later.

TO THAT END: would you ever consider branching off of ubuntu even further and using your own rolling release system like arch? it would save a lot of time big_smile

Last edited by seth (2008-12-09 01:57:00)

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#21 2008-12-09 02:01:05

ggordon
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

Thanks for the help with Kazehakase...I did manage to get the Firefox bookmarks added and it is a nice 'lite' browser, so in keeping with your idea of a 'lite' version of CB, but it definitely is not as versatile as Firefox...but that's why we have all the choices on want to use...in hindsight...I could have made a few changes to the regular version of CB and ended up in the same place...but I like experimenting, so what the heck...right? Really like CB and the fact it is Openbox based, so thanks again for your time and effort.

smile

ggordon

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#22 2008-12-09 02:21:29

snowpine
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

I just installed CrunchBang Lite 8.10.rc1 on my old laptop. Here's my report...

Dell Latitude Cpx
Pentium 3 600mhz
256mb ram
6.5 gb hard drive
Previous OS: Crunchbang 8.04.2

Installing from the Live CD worked just as expected, less than an hour from first booting the Live CD to a fully installed desktop. The live CD seemed faster than the previous release and used only 86mb of ram at idle. Once installed, #! takes about 2 minutes to boot, which is 30 seconds quicker than 8.04, and uses about 68mb of ram while idling. Disk usage is 1.45gb, and the installer created a 376mb swap partition (I chose guided install: entire disk).

The system feels snappy and very usable. Kazehakase is noticeably quicker than Firefox was, but some of its features (or lack thereof--adblock?) will take getting used to. One nice surprise was that Youtube was completely unwatchable in 8.04 (flash 9?) but now is pretty good. I am just beginning to explore the features of Crunchbang Lite.

Nice work Philip!

ps I've also tested #! Lite on my eee. It makes even better use of screen real estate than the previous version!


/hugged

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#23 2008-12-09 05:01:17

trendyteddy
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

I've looked through the #! manifest file.
Excellent work the #! is!!!

I like it a lot, and can't keep waiting for the official released. wink


Pls bear to my English, I'm just a #! Tux rider from Thailand.
(less than 5% can communicate in English tongue)

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#24 2008-12-09 05:33:27

snowpine
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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

I think the browser question is interesting. I used Kazehakase for a while because it comes with Fluxbuntu (the distro that brought me to #!). I ended up installing Firefox back then, but I am willing to give Kazehakase another try. I like the way you've set up the #!-related bookmarks and feeds, and the triple-layer UI (beginner, medium, expert) is intriguing.

I've never tried Seamonkey before, so I'm installing it now. What are your thoughts on Epiphany? Too "gnomey" for #!?


/hugged

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#25 2008-12-09 09:31:01

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Re: CrunchBang Linux 8.10.01rc1 "Lite" Edition

snowpine wrote:

What are your thoughts on Epiphany? Too "gnomey" for #!?

No not at all. I really rate Epiphany. In fact, it was selected as the default browser in the very first release. Firefox replaced Epiphany when it reached version 3 and became much more Linux friendly.

Regarding Kazehakase, I seem to remember its installation in Fluxbuntu being my first introduction too. Again, if I am remembering correctly it lacked support for Flash at the time (?) and seemed quite limited as an alternative to Firefox. That was a year ago to the day, do not ask me how I know that, anyhow, since then Kazehakase seems to have developed very nicely. Having said that, I am still not entirely sure it will make it into the final build, I guess I am just waiting to judge any response to its inclusion in the release candidate. wink

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