[SOLVED] Waldorf to Sid upgrade - no thumbnails in Thunar

Stanie · 2012-05-27 18:51:35

I use Waldorf upgraded to sid and the only bigger problem is that I can't see any thumbnails unless I open Thunar as root. And I am pretty sure, that the behaviour was the same for Waldorf with Wheezy. See screenshot of both thunar as normal user (there I can see only icons) and root (with thumbnails) side by side.

And although I have ffmpegthumbnailer installed even as root I can't see any video thumbnails - only icons sad

Last edited by Stanie (2012-06-01 10:00:12)

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 19:07:46

Hi Stanie,

sudo update-mime-database /usr/share/mime

does that help?

Scrot or it didn't happen:

Last edited by machinebacon (2012-05-27 19:08:45)

Stanie · 2012-05-27 19:29:05

^Hi machinebacon,

thanks for the quick reply. But unfortunately that didn't help. Tried even restart and no change...

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 19:46:45

I am using xfce4 so maybe (!) you need the

sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies

if it still makes no difference, you are safe to remove that package again. I remember in the past there was a thunar-thumbnailer which moved to xfce4-goodies.

ivanovnegro · 2012-05-27 20:05:19

You need the package tumbler. At least that's installed on my system and I have thumbnails.

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 20:07:14

^ Hi Ivanov,

really funny, I have checked it before I posted and I don't have tumbler installed big_smile But honestly, I remembered "tumbler", too!

pidsley · 2012-05-27 20:16:50

^ tumbler was the first thing I thought of too, but the weird thing is that he has thumbnails as root, but not as regular user. I'll bet if we ask him for

apt-cache policy tumbler

he will already have it; but somehow permissions got borked by his upgrade to sid...

so the big question is, what's different between his root and normal user?

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hhh · 2012-05-27 20:27:47

Mighty as well eliminate the obvious... Is the option to show thumbnails checked in Edit>Preferences>Display? Also try renaming ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc

BTW, Tumbler isn't used for Thunar 1.0.2 (Xfce 4.6), afaik.

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pidsley · 2012-05-27 20:29:30

^ funny; I thought the same thing, but though Stanie might be offended by asking the obvious q hmm

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hhh · 2012-05-27 20:33:12

Facepalm here for forgetting that we're in the Testing thread. tongue

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 20:49:41

I can't believe my eyes:

man thunar

<babble babble>

       -q, --quit
           Terminate any Thunar instance running in the background (spawned
           using the --daemon option). This command should be used whenever
           Thunar is upgraded to a new version to ensure that no old instance
           is reused.

Would you please try

thunar -q

Stanie · 2012-05-27 21:02:56

Thanks guys,

I always take the more difficult way of solving things it seems. I created a dummy user account to see if thumbnails work and they did indeed work. So it must have been messed up somehow during install or upgrade to sid, because I use the same thunar config files (lazy to recreate custom actions) in my debian sid xfce and there is no such problem. I can even see video thumbnails there. Anyway, deleting thunar folder and copying it again from xfce partition solved it.

But it still doesn't work for video.

And btw, machinebacon I have tumbler package both in waldorf and xfce => minimal custom install I presume?

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 21:13:40

^ siduction with XFCE 4.8 here. A pity the old thunarrc is removed, I would have loved to see a

diff ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc /etc/skel/.config/Thunar/thunarrc

Maybe next time big_smile

Stanie · 2012-05-27 21:16:49

machinebacon wrote:

I can't believe my eyes:

man thunar

<babble babble>

       -q, --quit
           Terminate any Thunar instance running in the background (spawned
           using the --daemon option). This command should be used whenever
           Thunar is upgraded to a new version to ensure that no old instance
           is reused.

Would you please try

thunar -q

^ Nice one, will have to try it after next upgrade.
And from my personal experience thunar --daemon doesn't seem to help a faster startup for thunar. It takes several secs to open it for the first time so I always have to uninstall gvfs-backends to speed up the process.

Stanie · 2012-05-27 21:21:05

machinebacon wrote:

^ siduction with XFCE 4.8 here. A pity the old thunarrc is removed, I would have loved to see a
diff ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc /etc/skel/.config/Thunar/thunarrc 
Maybe next time

Yeah, next time I will just rename it instead of deleting it. And for the record it wasn't the preinstalled one, just my own old one - but the same one that works on debian sid xfce.

And I was considering trying siduction xfce last week, still have a cd on my desk, but in the end went with good old debian xfce big_smile

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 21:23:46

^ Actually I have already raped it. it was siduction KDE originally, then I installed razor-qt over it, removed KDE, installed Gnome 3, removed razor-qt, installed XFCE, and right now I am writing in openbox.

Searching for the most complicated way to break it big_smile nah, seriously, I just wanted to test-drive siduction the hard way; have been with sidux/arsetosid/siduction for many years.

Stanie · 2012-05-27 21:44:19

machinebacon wrote:

^ Actually I have already raped it. it was siduction KDE originally, then I installed razor-qt over it, removed KDE, installed Gnome 3, removed razor-qt, installed XFCE, and right now I am writing in openbox.
Searching for the most complicated way to break it nah, seriously, I just wanted to test-drive siduction the hard way; have been with sidux/arsetosid/siduction for many years.

It sounds a little hazardous... And speaking of DE - I always wanted to try KDE but my VIA UniChrome isn't able to handle it. How demanding is razor-qt? I am considering giving it a try. Although I know that I will probably come back to Openbox. I almost don't use XFCE even though the difference in ram and cpu usage is minimal...

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 22:08:14

razor-qt is IMO something like the qt-version of LXDE. You can assign a window manager to it (for example openbox, which is the recommended WM stated on the razor-qt website), and use the qt-config tool to "beautify" the user interface. It's quite at the beginning of development, but the thing is running stable and snappy. There are not many DE-specific options yet, so it feels a bit naked. Wouldn't really recommend it right now for everyday use, because of the lack of "depth", but it is much too good to ignore it.

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ivanovnegro · 2012-05-27 22:14:09

Very interesting. Though, I have to admit, when I upgraded to Sid, Thunar was also screwed up and I think I even installed tumbler afterwards to have thumbnails because I removed thunar-thumbnailers, I hate video thumbnails.

But to be honest, Thunar is a b1tch again and I cannot remember.

Edit: Now I see, @Bejkon was right, thunar-thumbnailers is provided by the package xfce4-goodies that I do not have installed. It is even not installable at its own. roll

Last edited by ivanovnegro (2012-05-27 22:18:41)

machinebacon · 2012-05-27 22:23:44

Yes, she is (Thunar = a biatch)

Tumbler, or xfce4-goodies, or thunar-thumbnailer? Let's see what their "website" (xfce4-goodies, that is) shows: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar … umbnailers

Thunar is capable of thumbnailing some files itself, and other files if certain programs exist on the system. By itself thunar can handle the following types:
Image files using Gdk Pixbuf
JPEG (by extracting thumbnail from the exif data - fast)
Fonts files (builtin)
OpenDocument Format files, by extracting thumbnail
with help from programs:
PDF (using evince)
video files (using totem)

Most of the thumbnailers depend on ImageMagick, due to the “convert” command.
Video files:
Thunar-thumbnailers uses ffmpeg-thumbnailer to generate thumbnails of videos, and so supports all formats ffmpeg does. This means it does not currently support Real Media video files.

roll Questions? lol Why do they need to confuse the shit out of people for a function that should actually be default and easy to disable in the Preferences. Gnaaaaa!

Last edited by machinebacon (2012-05-27 22:26:11)

hhh · 2012-05-27 22:40:32

ivanovnegro wrote:

...xfce4-goodies... It is even not installable at its own.

No, it's a metapackage, but once it's installed you can remove the individual plugins and apps you don't want (PITA, I know, but an option).

wuxmedia · 2012-05-27 23:24:01

Mighty as well eliminate the obvious... Is the option to show thumbnails checked in Edit>Preferences>Display?

+1 big_smile

wondered why i didn't have any thumbnails...:lol:

ivanovnegro · 2012-05-27 23:51:24

machinebacon wrote:

Questions? Why do they need to confuse the shit out of people for a function that should actually be default and easy to disable in the Preferences. Gnaaaaa!

+100

hhh wrote:

No, it's a metapackage, but once it's installed you can remove the individual plugins and apps you don't want (PITA, I know, but an option).

I know, the reason why I do not have it. I always install just what I need from there on an Xfce system and on my tiler I do not need most of the plugins. PITA, true.

After using Xfce now for a longer period, I see they still need still to do some serious improvements. Xfce 10 is nothing new. DEs are PITAs. tongue

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Stanie · 2012-05-28 06:41:50

machinebacon wrote:

Yes, she is (Thunar = a biatch)
Tumbler, or xfce4-goodies, or thunar-thumbnailer? Let's see what their "website" (xfce4-goodies, that is) shows: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar … umbnailers
Thunar is capable of thumbnailing some files itself, and other files if certain programs exist on the system. By itself thunar can handle the following types:
Image files using Gdk Pixbuf
JPEG (by extracting thumbnail from the exif data - fast)
Fonts files (builtin)
OpenDocument Format files, by extracting thumbnail
with help from programs:
PDF (using evince)
video files (using totem)

Most of the thumbnailers depend on ImageMagick, due to the “convert” command.
Video files:
Thunar-thumbnailers uses ffmpeg-thumbnailer to generate thumbnails of videos, and so supports all formats ffmpeg does. This means it does not currently support Real Media video files.
Questions? Why do they need to confuse the shit out of people for a function that should actually be default and easy to disable in the Preferences. Gnaaaaa!

Hmm, interesting. XFCE proposing Totem for video? Media player for GNOME? Wow.

And I will give xfce4-goodies a try later.

EDIT: XFCE4-goodies didn't help either. Still no thumbnails for video...

Last edited by Stanie (2012-05-28 11:04:51)

Stanie · 2012-05-28 11:14:32

ivanovnegro wrote:

...
After using Xfce now for a longer period, I see they still need still to do some serious improvements. Xfce 10 is nothing new. DEs are PITAs.

I have to agree. Haven't tried 4.10 yet - waiting for it to hit sid. But IMHO especially thunar needs some improvements. No dual pane, no tabs, option Properties not available if you choose more then 1 file or folder... You end up creating custom actions just to have basic usability back lol

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