Review of #! on dedoimedo

el_koraco · 2011-11-07 19:29:50

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/crun … atler.html

Pretty superficial, but it ain't like that guy is thorough by nature.

dmhdlr · 2011-11-07 19:39:41

His reviews of Ubuntu and other distros that purport to be user-friendly are good. But evaluating #! on the same criteria is crazy.

rhowaldt · 2011-11-07 19:42:44

no decent screenshot utility, if you exclude GIMP itself. scrot works, but it's annoying.

hahaha, what?

then goes on to mention 'install scripts for openoffice and dropbox, which is nice'. goes on to show a screenshot of him watching youtube and commenting on the playboy-suggestions, hastily letting the reader know he didn't want those. and here i thought he was writing a distro review.

crappy superficial review indeed. this guy needs to use Ubuntu, and wants to use Ubuntu.

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pvsage · 2011-11-07 19:53:21

^ Worse: I think he's a closet Windows user in denial.

xeNULL · 2011-11-07 20:06:14

Sorry to rant but that review made me rather angry. I think this person is used to user friendly bloated distributions and does not understand the elegance of #!. Also he reviews #! as if it was made for one use where in fact it is not made for anyone. The way I see it is that #! is what you want it to be, If there is something that isn't there...add it and if you can't do it on your own we have a very kind community that is there to help. The review is unfair and shows that not everybody appreciates the time and effort put in to #!

However the amount of people here proves this guy wrong.

VastOne · 2011-11-07 20:13:27

A pathetic review by a crappy writer...

Now I have a damned headache....

el_koraco · 2011-11-07 20:14:56

Well, his reviews are mostly installation reviews, like all of them, and he has a problem with the Debian installer (dunno why). I liked some of his reviews, and he does have a humorous streak about him, but like all guys from the Balkans, he takes himself way too seriously.

rhowaldt · 2011-11-07 20:19:12

i can understand your feelings xeNULL. the nice thing about having a rather small community like we do here is we are often more dedicated to our distro than, say, a regular Ubuntu-user is. therefore, when you piss on it with a crappy review, people are going to feel angry. it is like stepping on someones baby. smile

i think the situation here is that this particular reviewer just has a very different view of 'usability' and 'user-friendliness' than most of us do. he feels that having to edit a config-file or execute a command line script are non-user-friendly ways of implementing things. in short, he is the GUI-type. as you can tell from most forum-threads here, most of us are more of the CLI-type (one more than the other, with a bit of GUI mixed in here and there in the cases where that makes things easier). we do not view a pure GUI-system as user-friendly, but rather as restrictive. the reviewer on the other hand seems to prefer a Linux distro which is like OSX or Windows.

now, i'm sure it is quite okay for a reviewer to have a preference, but he should try and remain as objective as he possibly can in reviewing something. this guy did not. and not only was his review very subjective, it was also shallow and, as el_koraco already pointed out, superficial. so that is 2 ways in which he does not do justice to this distro (and presumable many others). in fact, his review is like reviewing a motorcycle and complaining it only has 2 wheels, and it is the wrong color.

dubois · 2011-11-07 20:25:25

That's too bad. I've read his blog off and on for four years and this is only the second time I've been disappointed, but you have to remember reviews of software and operating systems is very similar to food and restaurant reviews. For example, there's an Italian restaurant here that I occasionally hear about and three reviews have stuck with me: one person said they use too much garlic on their food; second one said there wasn't enough garlic on the food and, you guessed it, the third person said the amount of garlic on their food was just right. roll

I honestly believe that reviewers are a jaded lot, regardless of what they review: an OS, food, music, movies, cars, you name it. I take reviews with as many grains of salt as I think necessary and in the end, use what I like, what works for me, regardless of what anyone says. wink

VastOne · 2011-11-07 20:27:49

I agree with you rhowaldt and xeNULL...

There is something to be said about a system needing to be dumbed down or dumbing it down for the users..

I thought I knew a lot when I was a Ubuntu user... Without question I did not know crap compared to now..

Is this mode for everyone, of course not... And that is the differences... and to the Bloggers credit, he did say in the first sentence that #! 'is a power-user oriented, minimalistic distribution'

The other issue I had was him crapping all over the stability of Debian and claiming Ubuntu was designed to fix that... This speaks volumes of lemming like thinking or just ignorance...

Unia · 2011-11-07 20:29:19

Review wrote:

And then, there's the matter of setting up your theme. One of these reads Simple Green, but the actual color is something in between blue and purple. Now, one of us is definitely blind, me or the developer, but it definitely is not me, because i have awesome eyes and I was actually cast for flying stunts for Top Gun.

Hahaha!

VastOne · 2011-11-07 20:33:50

Unia wrote:

Review wrote:
And then, there's the matter of setting up your theme. One of these reads Simple Green, but the actual color is something in between blue and purple. Now, one of us is definitely blind, me or the developer, but it definitely is not me, because i have awesome eyes and I was actually cast for flying stunts for Top Gun.
Hahaha!

I do believe in hue of the matter, Simple Green is something in between blue and purple

big_smile

xeNULL · 2011-11-07 20:35:41

Unia wrote:

Review wrote:
And then, there's the matter of setting up your theme. One of these reads Simple Green, but the actual color is something in between blue and purple. Now, one of us is definitely blind, me or the developer, but it definitely is not me, because i have awesome eyes and I was actually cast for flying stunts for Top Gun.
Hahaha!

That is really something to be proud of also ubuntu devs gets everything right don't they xD I really hope the guy finds this thread when he is typing his name/nick in on google.

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dubois · 2011-11-07 20:36:40

VastOne wrote:

I agree with you rhowaldt and xeNULL...
There is something to be said about a system needing to be dumbed down or dumbing it down for the users..
I thought I knew a lot when I was a Ubuntu user... Without question I did not know crap compared to now..
Is this mode for everyone, of course not... And that is the differences... and to the Bloggers credit, he did say in the first sentence that #! 'is a power-user oriented, minimalistic distribution'
The other issue I had was him crapping all over the stability of Debian and claiming Ubuntu was designed to fix that... This speaks volumes of lemming like thinking or just ignorance...

Read him in depth and in detail over time -- he just glows when talking about Microsoft's Windows. Just sayin'.

xeNULL · 2011-11-07 20:40:19

He definatley has an issue with debian check how nice he is on his review of #! 9.04 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/crunchbang.html

rhowaldt · 2011-11-07 21:07:38

^ remarkable how in that review he seems to have no issue with scrot, while in the new one he finds it annoying. i also don't really get the fixation with samba. this is only relevant for some users. implementing samba in the OS means users who don't need it need to uninstall it, and i am willing to bet there are more users that don't need it than user that do.

nah, i made up my mind. i don't like the guy.

bozhkov · 2011-11-07 21:43:37

el_koraco wrote:

I liked some of his reviews, and he does have a humorous streak about him, but like all guys from the Balkans, he takes himself way too seriously.

Go stereotypes! big_smile

saneks · 2011-11-07 21:56:24

"..a dash of red and yellow to enliven the atmosphere.. " cool

sunfizz98 · 2011-11-07 22:28:07

....That was the worst review I have ever read for a distro. Too bad, so sad. His review of 9.04 was 10x better than this one. If there was a way to leave my two cents, I would. Frankly, I thought the screenshot function was very adequate, even preferred in my tastes.

Oh well, I'll move along now.

gensym · 2011-11-07 22:39:10

Some guy on the interwebz wrote:

The default system language is English (GB), the proper kind.

Made my day ^^

el_koraco · 2011-11-07 23:26:54

bozhkov wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
I liked some of his reviews, and he does have a humorous streak about him, but like all guys from the Balkans, he takes himself way too seriously.
Go stereotypes!

I'm from there, so I'm allowed to discriminate big_smile

dmhdlr · 2011-11-08 00:07:37

Well, to be fair he's usually on target with his reviews of Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE. He just doesn't really get that #! isn't trying to be OpenSUSE. Interesting to know he's from the Balkans. Also, I didn't know he was a Microsoft shill. Is he a moderator at UF?

el_koraco · 2011-11-08 00:12:46

replicant wrote:

Interesting to know he's from the Balkans.

The nick roughly translates as grandpa and bear. I like the site in general, I just don't understand the issues he has with Debian - he has a tutorial on getting Slack up and running (an older one, granted), but frowns upon the netinstall iso. tbh, he's not that easy on Fedora either (his no Fedora Live CD is complete without one crash is right up there with my experiences, lol - the best graphical installer, and the worst Live CD in a single package).

busprof · 2011-11-08 00:15:54

dubois wrote:

That's too bad. I've read his blog off and on for four years and this is only the second time I've been disappointed.

I've been reading his posts for quite a while also. He has done some very good work over the years. This review was disappointing on a couple of levels, though. First, despite his recognition of #! as a distro for those who prefer a minimalist base, he criticizes the lack of automation and the need for manual configuration (I have no idea what a "power user" is, so I won't comment on that). Second, he is comparing #! to distros (like Mint and Ubuntu) that have a number of developers working pretty much daily on the releases and upgrades. As has so often been noted here...#! is the work of one developer, whose goals and aims are simply to share his preferred Linux installation with others...so this review is really not comparing apples to apples on so many levels.

I've noticed a growing preference on Dedoimedo's part for the kind of OOTB experience you can get with distros aimed at a very different type of user (his favorites seem to include CentOS and Mint right now) so it is not a surprise that he didn't like #! very much. What is a surprise to me - based on reading him over time - is his lack of depth and his failure to stay with his own recognition of the goals and aims of #!. Not his best work, unfortunately, but not a surprising opinion.

machinebacon · 2011-11-08 01:15:15

And then, there's the matter of setting up your theme. One of these reads Simple Green, but the actual color is something in between blue and purple. Now, one of us is definitely blind, me or the developer, but it definitely is not me, because i have awesome eyes and I was actually cast for flying stunts for Top Gun.

The developer of what? I guess this "reviewer" is not aware that the Openbox themes are not #!'s choice, but included in the Openbox-themes package. And what do we care about names? What does "isawagorilla" suggest?

I was dismayed to learn that you cannot install the system from within the live session. Or perhaps it is possible, but since I could not find the option, the failure level is equal. I had to reboot and choose the text installer, very Debian, very unfriendly.

Eh? I am 100% sure to have installed Crunchi (3 days ago) from a graphical installer. Full-screen, upper half black, having the #! logo there. Of course one can choose to use an "unfriendly" text installer (which throws curses at you) but either me or the "reviewer" has a problem with his eyes. And I have awesome eyes, I was actually casting lying Playboy cunts. roll

I'm not in the mood to work around the 1999 mentality of setting up your machine. Some of the great elements that existed in CrunchBang 9.04 are gone, replaced by crude, rigid changes that feel half-beta.

Laziness is not an excuse. And what are those great (K)Ubuntu elements? 6 months release cycle, so you can install a new KDE desktop with even more pop-ups and widgets? Yawn.

This guy is getting on my nerves. After all, this is a public review, and it shows his lack of respect for the work of others. That corenominal didn't incude a Samba GUI is (probably) because he doesn't need it. Just as I (personally) don't need heybuddy, but anyway those people who want to have the Windows Vista look & feel (!) will not use a default #! - no matter what this "review" says.

Last edited by machinebacon (2011-11-08 01:16:29)

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