CrunchBang Linux

Good point. I tend to forget the live-enviroment because I never use it. I always install the distros that I want to take a look at:)

Hehe. The bickering, as redundant as it is, is actually a nice thing. It shows engagement:)

==> Finally, someone got me. It was a humouros attempt to make the decition for everyone, in order to piss ssomeone off. I like to do that now and then. We shouldn`t be so serious or easily offended. The ironi and sarchasme-radar has to be present at all times when I`m involved.

==> I totally agree. But at the same time I see the issue for those with older laptops that doesn`t boot from usb, and only have cd-rom. No DVD. We should have an ISO for them also. So why not strip the i486-version just enough to get it below the 700 MB limit?

==> I understand. But we are only talking about a few big apps here. It`s not like you would spend more than 5 minutes to install them

==> Ok. That`s a nice compromiss. Getting the i486-version below 700 MB shouldn`t be difficult at all... It`s just to remove a few of the biggest apps...

==> I agree. I said the same a few days ago myself when someone else proposed that we should have a poll over which apps should be default. I said that this was no democracy and that Phillip should ddo whatever he felt was best. But then UNia told me not to be so touchy about my favourite-distro. When I`m doing the opposite like today, then Unia tells me that I`m rude. Go figure

==> ROFL. But that`s fun, isn`t it? To be serious, I don`t need any change, because I can change whatever I would like to change. I would like lightdm instead of slim, well, I`m already using lightdm with #! I would like systemd, well guess what, I`m using it. I would like Chromium instead of Iceweasel, but am already using that too... The list could go on forever. I don`t care which apps are default or not...

What could be my intention by removing Abiword, Gnumeric, VLC, Gparted etc....?

The answer is quite simple. To slim down the ISO as a nice gesture to those that only can boot their pc`s by cd-rom.... Of course it would be sufficient just to slim down only the i486-version, but it`s much cleaner if all version include the same apps and the same scripts. I would reinstall VLC, Gimp and Gparted myself, but I have no need for those apps to be present on the ISO. Neither does anyone else. Those that cannot install their favourite-apps themselves, should find another hobby...

As for Slim, it should go. It isn`t lighter that lightdm. Actually, after replacing slim with lightdm, my boot-time is slightly faster, and now I have sessions, shutoff and everything present in lightdm without any need to edit sessionfiles or slimconf. Lightdm simply works, and is a better choice for those that can not configure or install anything themselves... 

I forgot one thing that should be removed. Iceweasel. No need to have a working browser on the ISO. The first thing everyone does, is installing their favourite browser, and for me it`s quite simple, "sudo apt-get install chromium". It shouldn`t be to hard for others to do like me....

Edit: I forgot xscreensaver. Are you insane. That`s the coolest thing ever. It looks like something from the past, and i feel like a supergeek when I look at those wonderful fiberlamps...

My new CB-style. Simple and clean....

Of course. It doesn`t take two years either. I consider Jessie as old already. Kernel 3.2.0.4 in a testing release???? Seriously?

Thanks, that sounds like good advice. I will try that tomorrow, but now it`s night for me. I got sidetracked in another issue. Slim is eating 19 ms of my boot time, even if I don`t use slim. So I have to take care of that first:)

Anyone knows what to make of this:

Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
serious bugs of libpng12-dev (-> 1.2.49-4) <unfixed>
 #652001 - libpng-dev: breaks "pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0"
Summary:
 libpng12-dev(1 bug)

Should I hold off my install until this is fixed? This bug is in one of the extra-packages that come with the tint2-dependencies. This is what I tried to install:

sudo apt-get install libcairo2-dev libpango1.0-dev libglib2.0-dev libimlib2-dev libxinerama-dev libx11-dev libxdamage-dev libxcomposite-dev libxrender-dev libxrandr-dev libgtk2.0-dev

I have to add that I`m on Sid...

Edit: Oops, I guess I can answer the question myself, I will have to hold off this project, because the next thing I tried to do, was to install subversion-tools, and that provided me with this error-report:

Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
serious bugs of subversion (-> 1.7.9-1+nmu1) <forwarded>
 #692237 - svn: E235000: In file '/tmp/buildd/subversion-1.7.5/subversion/libsvn_wc/update_editor.c' line 1583: assertion failed (action == svn_wc_conflict_action_edit || action == svn_wc_conflict_action_delete || action == svn_wc_conflict_action_replace)
serious bugs of exim4 (-> 4.80-7) <unfixed>
 #678337 - exim4: Segfault at start of main()
serious bugs of subversion (-> 1.7.9-1+nmu1) <unfixed>
 #705364 - subversion: non-deterministic test results can lead to build failures
 #689919 - subversion: includes a non-free file
Summary:
 exim4(1 bug), subversion(3 bugs)

I chickened out, and turned down both installs, quite confident that it was the right thing to do:)

There you see how different we are, I was sold by this, which is in direct contradiction:

CrunchBang Linux is not recommended for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. CrunchBang Linux could possibly make your computer go CRUNCH! BANG! Therefore CrunchBang Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
Last edited by corenominal (2010-11-21 14:07:14)

It`s already present in the menu. You can choose to install Chromium, Chrome and Opera. Firefox is probably missing because Iceweasel is the default.

But I guess it wouldn`t hurt me if there was a menu entry to launch a script like you are argumenting for, but it should not become a part of CB-welcome, because it would only be confusable to the people that would need a script like that. Better to make sure that they have some kind of updated working system before they`re able to install other apps.

Yes, just like that, but with apt and aptitude, not pacman. As I`m getting more skilled in Debian, I don`t want to confuse myself with totally different commands. Learning the arch-way could unlearn the Debian-way, and I don`t want to do that.  But I`m certain that there will come a time when the Debian-way is permanently glued into my brain, and then I`m ready to learn arch...

But for the moment, I have to ensure that I`m not spreading my limited brain-resources too thin

Yes, and that`s why a poll is unecessary